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		<title>Grace: Why I am grateful for the hard Grace I&#8217;ve received</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Grace is not just the soft comfort of God loving the broken.  That is a part of Grace, but not the whole of it.  Grace is also God denying us those things that we chase that are not Him.</p>
<p>Grace is God pursuing us in redemption to establish that relationship with Him for which He longs and for which we were created.</p>
<p>But the brokenness of us is often pursuing cheap substitutes.  We crave satisfaction but are only briefly numbed by infatuation with one relationship after another, chemical distortion of drugs and alcohol, sexual exploits that mock true intimacy, money and possessions that trick us into thinking that we are valuable or important or even cared for by those around us who really just want our stuff.</p>
<p>But God is <em><strong>gracious</strong></em> and will, in His mercy toward us, kill that cheap thing and rip it from our clutching hands so that we will realize the shallow nature of that which we&#8217;ve worshiped.  And so that we will turn to Him and find what we really need.  What will actually satisfy and in which we will find ourselves complete.</p>
<p>We find Him.</p>
<p>I have always been moved by the love and acceptance of others.  There are many reasons why, but for now let us just say that need for approval is just the way I&#8217;m broken. It numbed me, temporarily, to the reality that I was a mess.  I felt good about myself, for a minute.</p>
<p>So last year I found myself in the process of having that idol crushed and torn away.  When acceptance and adoration of others is your idol, the way God kills it, at least in my case, is public contempt by others.  A year ago, I faced several public meetings where people I cared about assaulted my character, my skills and my value.</p>
<p>The good news is that, though some of those relationships remain wounded, others were restored and our church experienced healing, unity and peace during this year.</p>
<p>The best news is that in God taking from me what I should not have worshiped, He replaced it with Himself.  In that, I have found myself in the greatest time of growth and peace in my walk with Him.  I&#8217;ve never been more close to Him than I am.  I&#8217;ve never loved Him more. I&#8217;ve never been more sure of His love for me.  I&#8217;ve never needed public adulation less.</p>
<p>And I owe it all to the hard Grace of public ridicule.  Thank God for His Grace.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ee/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2011/10/26/grace-why-i-am-grateful-for-the-hard-grace-ive-received/">October 26, 2011</a>, Bonnie writes: i.love.you.always.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2011/10/26/grace-why-i-am-grateful-for-the-hard-grace-ive-received/">October 26, 2011</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: I love you, too, honey.  I'm so grateful for your partnership on the journey.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2011/10/26/grace-why-i-am-grateful-for-the-hard-grace-ive-received/">October 26, 2011</a>, steveharrison writes: Good word Art!  Thanks for sharing...Yesterday I listened to a message out of Matthew 11, 3 points from the viewpoint of God as he shared about John the Baptist.  We're at the end of ourself.  We look around asking are we making a difference?  Does anybody see?  Does anybody know?  notice?  care?  then Jesus says, you should hear what I'm saying behind your back.  1)  your doing better than you think you are.  2)  you matter more than you think you do. &amp; 3) it's less about you than you think.  It's not about you when your doing good &amp; not about you when your doing bad.  Spoke to me. Blessings brother!</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2011/10/26/grace-why-i-am-grateful-for-the-hard-grace-ive-received/">October 27, 2011</a>, <a href='http://Twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Good word, Steve! 

"it's not about you when your doing good and it's not about you when your doing bad."</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2011/09/20/to-the-pure-all-things-are-pure/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: To the pure, all things are pure">To the pure, all things are pure</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/29/grateful/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Grateful">Grateful</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/04/03/worthless-v-unworthy/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Worthless v. Unworthy">Worthless v. Unworthy</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2009/01/03/video-i-think-my-wifes-a-calvinist/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Video:  I think my wife&#8217;s a calvinist&#8230;">Video:  I think my wife&#8217;s a calvinist&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/06/13/wades-motion-2/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Wade&#8217;s Motion 2">Wade&#8217;s Motion 2</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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</span><p>Grace is not just the soft comfort of God loving the broken.  That is a part of Grace, but not the whole of it.  Grace is also God denying us those things that we chase that are not Him.</p>
<p>Grace is God pursuing us in redemption to establish that relationship with Him for which He longs and for which we were created.</p>
<p>But the brokenness of us is often pursuing cheap substitutes.  We crave satisfaction but are only briefly numbed by infatuation with one relationship after another, chemical distortion of drugs and alcohol, sexual exploits that mock true intimacy, money and possessions that trick us into thinking that we are valuable or important or even cared for by those around us who really just want our stuff.</p>
<p>But God is <em><strong>gracious</strong></em> and will, in His mercy toward us, kill that cheap thing and rip it from our clutching hands so that we will realize the shallow nature of that which we&#8217;ve worshiped.  And so that we will turn to Him and find what we really need.  What will actually satisfy and in which we will find ourselves complete.</p>
<p>We find Him.</p>
<p>I have always been moved by the love and acceptance of others.  There are many reasons why, but for now let us just say that need for approval is just the way I&#8217;m broken. It numbed me, temporarily, to the reality that I was a mess.  I felt good about myself, for a minute.</p>
<p>So last year I found myself in the process of having that idol crushed and torn away.  When acceptance and adoration of others is your idol, the way God kills it, at least in my case, is public contempt by others.  A year ago, I faced several public meetings where people I cared about assaulted my character, my skills and my value.</p>
<p>The good news is that, though some of those relationships remain wounded, others were restored and our church experienced healing, unity and peace during this year.</p>
<p>The best news is that in God taking from me what I should not have worshiped, He replaced it with Himself.  In that, I have found myself in the greatest time of growth and peace in my walk with Him.  I&#8217;ve never been more close to Him than I am.  I&#8217;ve never loved Him more. I&#8217;ve never been more sure of His love for me.  I&#8217;ve never needed public adulation less.</p>
<p>And I owe it all to the hard Grace of public ridicule.  Thank God for His Grace.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ee/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2011/10/26/grace-why-i-am-grateful-for-the-hard-grace-ive-received/">October 26, 2011</a>, Bonnie writes: i.love.you.always.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2011/10/26/grace-why-i-am-grateful-for-the-hard-grace-ive-received/">October 26, 2011</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: I love you, too, honey.  I'm so grateful for your partnership on the journey.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2011/10/26/grace-why-i-am-grateful-for-the-hard-grace-ive-received/">October 26, 2011</a>, steveharrison writes: Good word Art!  Thanks for sharing...Yesterday I listened to a message out of Matthew 11, 3 points from the viewpoint of God as he shared about John the Baptist.  We're at the end of ourself.  We look around asking are we making a difference?  Does anybody see?  Does anybody know?  notice?  care?  then Jesus says, you should hear what I'm saying behind your back.  1)  your doing better than you think you are.  2)  you matter more than you think you do. &amp; 3) it's less about you than you think.  It's not about you when your doing good &amp; not about you when your doing bad.  Spoke to me. Blessings brother!</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2011/10/26/grace-why-i-am-grateful-for-the-hard-grace-ive-received/">October 27, 2011</a>, <a href='http://Twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Good word, Steve! 

"it's not about you when your doing good and it's not about you when your doing bad."</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2011/09/20/to-the-pure-all-things-are-pure/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: To the pure, all things are pure">To the pure, all things are pure</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/29/grateful/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Grateful">Grateful</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/04/03/worthless-v-unworthy/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Worthless v. Unworthy">Worthless v. Unworthy</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2009/01/03/video-i-think-my-wifes-a-calvinist/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Video:  I think my wife&#8217;s a calvinist&#8230;">Video:  I think my wife&#8217;s a calvinist&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/06/13/wades-motion-2/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Wade&#8217;s Motion 2">Wade&#8217;s Motion 2</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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		<title>To the pure, all things are pure</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Paul writes to Titus these words concerning the distinction between those who are regenerate and those who are not:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>&#8220;To the pure, everything is pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; in fact, both their mind and conscience are defiled.  They profess to know God, but the deny Him by their works.  They are detestable, disobedient and disqualified for any good work.&#8221;   -Titus 1:15-16</strong></p>
<p>Titus was commissioned to correct false teachers and to &#8220;rebuke them sharply.&#8221; (1:13)  Apparently, a part of the false teaching that was in need of correction was the constant need for ritual cleansing from those things considered &#8220;impure.&#8221;  Paul&#8217;s word here says that if the heart is impure, one finds impurity in everything.  The inherit filth of the corrupt heart drives people to perceive filth in all things and attempt to perfect (according to their warped perception) themselves and everything around them in hopes of pleasing God.  Moreover, they hold others to the same twisted ideals and teach them to conform their hearts to what can not please God.</p>
<p>It is so contrary to the Gospel.</p>
<p>The Good News is that if Grace has cleansed our hearts, nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus. (Rom. 8:35-39)  Which is not to say that we don&#8217;t struggle with sin or even that we shouldn&#8217;t war against it in our lives, but it is to say that contact with that which would once have made people ceremonially unclean can no longer do so.</p>
<p>Once covered by Grace, it is impossible to offend God by the touching of a dead thing.  Once covered by Grace, it is impossible to offend God by being imperfect by anyone&#8217;s standards, including His.</p>
<p>Sadly, even within the body of Christ, I have often been confronted by the hearts of those who perceive impurity in everything.  Everything that is not perfect in their own perceptions, and nothing ever is, is unclean and ungodly, rejected by the Lord and certain to bring condemnation and ruination. They see the spending of money this way as &#8220;wrong&#8221; or the counting of people in that way as &#8220;wrong.&#8221;  They become bitter and in their bitterness, they become hurtful.</p>
<p>While I wouldn&#8217;t say that such a person is not a Christian (they may or may not be), I would say that their heart has surely not comprehended the fullness of the Gospel of Grace.</p>
<p>Grace covers the imperfections of our lives. Grace not only gets us to eternity, but Grace also gets us through the day.  When we are confronted with either the willful rebellion of our hearts or the inadvertent shortcomings of a fallen mind, Grace covers all.</p>
<p>And when we are covered by Grace, when our hearts are satisfied in the free gift of God&#8217;s unmerited favor, it is not just easy, but it is also natural, to extend grace to others around us.</p>
<p>The heart that wallows in the Grace of God takes no offense in the rebellion or imperfection of those around.  When the service of a waiter is slow and lethargic, Grace manifests itself in a generous tip, rather than the stinginess of heart that counts wrongs against another.  When you are verbally attacked by another parent at the game because their child didn&#8217;t play the position or time they expected, Grace listens patiently and realizes that the person spewing venom is in need of something much deeper than they have.</p>
<p>The extension of Grace to them in that moment will likely be the rare exception in their life and will surely be the clearest picture of the Gospel that they will see that day. Month. Year? Lifetime?</p>
<p>To the pure, all things are pure.</p>
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</span><p>Paul writes to Titus these words concerning the distinction between those who are regenerate and those who are not:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>&#8220;To the pure, everything is pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; in fact, both their mind and conscience are defiled.  They profess to know God, but the deny Him by their works.  They are detestable, disobedient and disqualified for any good work.&#8221;   -Titus 1:15-16</strong></p>
<p>Titus was commissioned to correct false teachers and to &#8220;rebuke them sharply.&#8221; (1:13)  Apparently, a part of the false teaching that was in need of correction was the constant need for ritual cleansing from those things considered &#8220;impure.&#8221;  Paul&#8217;s word here says that if the heart is impure, one finds impurity in everything.  The inherit filth of the corrupt heart drives people to perceive filth in all things and attempt to perfect (according to their warped perception) themselves and everything around them in hopes of pleasing God.  Moreover, they hold others to the same twisted ideals and teach them to conform their hearts to what can not please God.</p>
<p>It is so contrary to the Gospel.</p>
<p>The Good News is that if Grace has cleansed our hearts, nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus. (Rom. 8:35-39)  Which is not to say that we don&#8217;t struggle with sin or even that we shouldn&#8217;t war against it in our lives, but it is to say that contact with that which would once have made people ceremonially unclean can no longer do so.</p>
<p>Once covered by Grace, it is impossible to offend God by the touching of a dead thing.  Once covered by Grace, it is impossible to offend God by being imperfect by anyone&#8217;s standards, including His.</p>
<p>Sadly, even within the body of Christ, I have often been confronted by the hearts of those who perceive impurity in everything.  Everything that is not perfect in their own perceptions, and nothing ever is, is unclean and ungodly, rejected by the Lord and certain to bring condemnation and ruination. They see the spending of money this way as &#8220;wrong&#8221; or the counting of people in that way as &#8220;wrong.&#8221;  They become bitter and in their bitterness, they become hurtful.</p>
<p>While I wouldn&#8217;t say that such a person is not a Christian (they may or may not be), I would say that their heart has surely not comprehended the fullness of the Gospel of Grace.</p>
<p>Grace covers the imperfections of our lives. Grace not only gets us to eternity, but Grace also gets us through the day.  When we are confronted with either the willful rebellion of our hearts or the inadvertent shortcomings of a fallen mind, Grace covers all.</p>
<p>And when we are covered by Grace, when our hearts are satisfied in the free gift of God&#8217;s unmerited favor, it is not just easy, but it is also natural, to extend grace to others around us.</p>
<p>The heart that wallows in the Grace of God takes no offense in the rebellion or imperfection of those around.  When the service of a waiter is slow and lethargic, Grace manifests itself in a generous tip, rather than the stinginess of heart that counts wrongs against another.  When you are verbally attacked by another parent at the game because their child didn&#8217;t play the position or time they expected, Grace listens patiently and realizes that the person spewing venom is in need of something much deeper than they have.</p>
<p>The extension of Grace to them in that moment will likely be the rare exception in their life and will surely be the clearest picture of the Gospel that they will see that day. Month. Year? Lifetime?</p>
<p>To the pure, all things are pure.</p>
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		<title>Making a difference among the impoverished</title>
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<p>A few thoughts:</p>
<p>This is not about immigration, but poverty.  Immigration is just an example of one thing we do poorly and say we are making a difference.</p>
<p>World poverty will be eradicated when the individual economies that are producing the radically poor are stabilized and access to opportunity is given to all.</p>
<p>Some of this is beyond our control.  Politics, both local and global, are not always accessible to us beyond grass roots engagement.</p>
<p>The improvement in economic conditions can work in America and around the world. We should do our best to affect both arenas, according to the doors open to us.</p>
<p>One thing left out of this video is the role of Education in economic development:  it&#8217;s vital.</p>
<p>For the church, specifically, the better educated and more economically stable/advantaged, the higher the receptivity to the Gospel.  It&#8217;s vital.</p>
<p>The question left to us is whether or not we have the responsibility to develop the economies of the poor around us locally and globally.  My answer is yes.  To the best of our ability.</p>
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<p>A few thoughts:</p>
<p>This is not about immigration, but poverty.  Immigration is just an example of one thing we do poorly and say we are making a difference.</p>
<p>World poverty will be eradicated when the individual economies that are producing the radically poor are stabilized and access to opportunity is given to all.</p>
<p>Some of this is beyond our control.  Politics, both local and global, are not always accessible to us beyond grass roots engagement.</p>
<p>The improvement in economic conditions can work in America and around the world. We should do our best to affect both arenas, according to the doors open to us.</p>
<p>One thing left out of this video is the role of Education in economic development:  it&#8217;s vital.</p>
<p>For the church, specifically, the better educated and more economically stable/advantaged, the higher the receptivity to the Gospel.  It&#8217;s vital.</p>
<p>The question left to us is whether or not we have the responsibility to develop the economies of the poor around us locally and globally.  My answer is yes.  To the best of our ability.</p>
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		<title>To someone considering the ministry&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a few people I&#8217;ve known consider going into the ministry at one point in time or another.  A few things to consider as you discern your path.</p>
<ul>
<li>Obviously, be convinced God is leading you to this.  I&#8217;ve known people in ministry that God never called there, but they thought it would make a good career.  Aside from the bumps and bruises that you might avoid not being where you should be, you will actually be in the way of God&#8217;s work, since you will be attempting what you are doing on your own.</li>
<li>If you are able to lay out a plan for higher education, get an undergraduate degree in something other than theology, ministry, Christian education, etc.  You can get your theological training in Seminary afterward and then you will be very broad in your knowledge and abilities.  It might come in handy one day when you are called to a mission filed, bi-vocational ministry or even if you are fired from your church.  Hey, it happens.  A lot.</li>
<li>Tend to your personal spiritual growth.  Education is important, but it is no substitute for a deep walk with God.  Leadership of the Holy Spirit means more than your IQ ever will.</li>
<li>Develop organizational skills.  You have to be organized to lead.</li>
<li>Develop personal relationship skills.  You have to love people to lead.</li>
<li>Develop thick skin.  You will be critiqued (fairly and unfairly) when you lead.</li>
<li>Be the example.  You can&#8217;t ask others to do what you aren&#8217;t doing in giving, service, passion, discipleship, positive talk or friendship.</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t let your failures get to you.  You will make mistakes and you will not be the shining example you want to be.  Confess and do better.  This is called growth.</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t let people hold you or your family to unreasonable standards of perfection.  They aren&#8217;t the Judge. (But don&#8217;t take that whole, &#8220;Only God can judge me&#8221; thing as a license to be an idiot.)</li>
</ul>
<p>Other thoughts?</p>
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</span><p>I&#8217;ve had a few people I&#8217;ve known consider going into the ministry at one point in time or another.  A few things to consider as you discern your path.</p>
<ul>
<li>Obviously, be convinced God is leading you to this.  I&#8217;ve known people in ministry that God never called there, but they thought it would make a good career.  Aside from the bumps and bruises that you might avoid not being where you should be, you will actually be in the way of God&#8217;s work, since you will be attempting what you are doing on your own.</li>
<li>If you are able to lay out a plan for higher education, get an undergraduate degree in something other than theology, ministry, Christian education, etc.  You can get your theological training in Seminary afterward and then you will be very broad in your knowledge and abilities.  It might come in handy one day when you are called to a mission filed, bi-vocational ministry or even if you are fired from your church.  Hey, it happens.  A lot.</li>
<li>Tend to your personal spiritual growth.  Education is important, but it is no substitute for a deep walk with God.  Leadership of the Holy Spirit means more than your IQ ever will.</li>
<li>Develop organizational skills.  You have to be organized to lead.</li>
<li>Develop personal relationship skills.  You have to love people to lead.</li>
<li>Develop thick skin.  You will be critiqued (fairly and unfairly) when you lead.</li>
<li>Be the example.  You can&#8217;t ask others to do what you aren&#8217;t doing in giving, service, passion, discipleship, positive talk or friendship.</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t let your failures get to you.  You will make mistakes and you will not be the shining example you want to be.  Confess and do better.  This is called growth.</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t let people hold you or your family to unreasonable standards of perfection.  They aren&#8217;t the Judge. (But don&#8217;t take that whole, &#8220;Only God can judge me&#8221; thing as a license to be an idiot.)</li>
</ul>
<p>Other thoughts?</p>
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		<title>Great Expectations</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I had a church member say something last year that was quite profound:</p>
<p>&#8220;Expectations are premeditated anger.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, though I would modify it to say that expectations are premeditated frustration and division.  Anger is also an option.</p>
<p>Are expectations wrong?  No.  Some expectations are necessary, such as the expectation that your children will grow in maturity and take on more and more responsibility.  This is, most times, a healthy expression of expectation being placed on people around you.</p>
<p>On the other hand, <em><strong>unhealthy</strong></em> expectations are that described premeditated source of anger, frustration and division.  What are unhealthy expectations?</p>
<p>I would say that, mostly, they stem from prideful arrogance, though we rarely see them that way.  But what else can you call it when you anticipate that those around you will do things the way you want them done without first evaluating whether or not the way you want them done is anything other than your personal preference?</p>
<p>I suppose the final modification to the saying would result in this, &#8220;Expectations stemming from unevaluated personal preference are premeditated anger, frustration and division.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t roll off the tongue as easily, does it?  Still&#8230;</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ee/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/12/01/great-expectations/">December 1, 2010</a>, <a href='http://mightyfowl.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bob Cleveland</a> writes: There's a statement in "The Shack" that introduced an idea that I have held onto ever since I read it. Namely that we really shouldn't expect things<i> from</i> folks, but we should have an  attitude of expectancy<i> toward</i> them.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/12/01/great-expectations/">December 1, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: Can anything good come from "The Shack?"

Maybe so... ;)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/12/01/great-expectations/">December 1, 2010</a>, Richard Harrison writes: I have read and reread this post and I still do not understand what you were attempting to say or clarify  Recon you could enlighten me ?</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/12/01/great-expectations/">December 1, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: I'm just saying that there are healthy expectations and unhealthy ones.  

The unhealthy ones come from personal preferences that are based on who knows what.  When we expect people to do things because "we think that's what should be done," then we create a situation where people get angry, frustrated and relationships are wounded.

That's different from healthy expectations that are based on God's Word, things that are beneficial for the individual and society.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/11/06/race-relations-and-the-president-elect/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Race Relations and the President Elect">Race Relations and the President Elect</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2009/09/28/its-like-the-welfare-system/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: It&#8217;s like the Welfare system&#8230;">It&#8217;s like the Welfare system&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/03/03/transitions-culture/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Transitions: Culture">Transitions: Culture</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2009/07/14/restructuring-the-church-for-missional-engagement/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Restructuring the Church for Missional Engagement">Restructuring the Church for Missional Engagement</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/04/normal-and-the-preachers-kid/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Normal and the Preacher&#8217;s Kid">Normal and the Preacher&#8217;s Kid</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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</span><p>I had a church member say something last year that was quite profound:</p>
<p>&#8220;Expectations are premeditated anger.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, though I would modify it to say that expectations are premeditated frustration and division.  Anger is also an option.</p>
<p>Are expectations wrong?  No.  Some expectations are necessary, such as the expectation that your children will grow in maturity and take on more and more responsibility.  This is, most times, a healthy expression of expectation being placed on people around you.</p>
<p>On the other hand, <em><strong>unhealthy</strong></em> expectations are that described premeditated source of anger, frustration and division.  What are unhealthy expectations?</p>
<p>I would say that, mostly, they stem from prideful arrogance, though we rarely see them that way.  But what else can you call it when you anticipate that those around you will do things the way you want them done without first evaluating whether or not the way you want them done is anything other than your personal preference?</p>
<p>I suppose the final modification to the saying would result in this, &#8220;Expectations stemming from unevaluated personal preference are premeditated anger, frustration and division.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t roll off the tongue as easily, does it?  Still&#8230;</p>
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Maybe so... ;)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/12/01/great-expectations/">December 1, 2010</a>, Richard Harrison writes: I have read and reread this post and I still do not understand what you were attempting to say or clarify  Recon you could enlighten me ?</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/12/01/great-expectations/">December 1, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: I'm just saying that there are healthy expectations and unhealthy ones.  

The unhealthy ones come from personal preferences that are based on who knows what.  When we expect people to do things because "we think that's what should be done," then we create a situation where people get angry, frustrated and relationships are wounded.

That's different from healthy expectations that are based on God's Word, things that are beneficial for the individual and society.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/11/06/race-relations-and-the-president-elect/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Race Relations and the President Elect">Race Relations and the President Elect</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2009/09/28/its-like-the-welfare-system/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: It&#8217;s like the Welfare system&#8230;">It&#8217;s like the Welfare system&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/03/03/transitions-culture/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Transitions: Culture">Transitions: Culture</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2009/07/14/restructuring-the-church-for-missional-engagement/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Restructuring the Church for Missional Engagement">Restructuring the Church for Missional Engagement</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/04/normal-and-the-preachers-kid/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Normal and the Preacher&#8217;s Kid">Normal and the Preacher&#8217;s Kid</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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		<title>Casting Vision</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I was asked yesterday what I had learned about pastoring that would be different if I had to do it all over again.</p>
<p>Lots of stuff.  Among the most critical: Casting Vision.</p>
<p>Essential to moving an organization from one way of doing things to another is the understanding of where they are going and why it must be done in the most proficient way possible.  I&#8217;ve learned a few lessons the hard way.</p>
<ol>
<li>Don&#8217;t assume that because you understand it anyone else does.</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t assume that another person understands because they say they do.  They may honestly think they do, but they aren&#8217;t the best judge of that.  Ask clarifying questions to make sure they &#8220;get it.&#8221;</li>
<li>Communicate in multiple ways.  Not everybody understands things the same way.  Some are visual and need diagrams.  Others are verbal and need rich descriptions.  Communicate the same message in every conceivable fashion to hit everyone.</li>
<li>Cast your vision in smaller, non-pressure settings where questions and dialog are not threatening.  If an impending change is scheduled and you are under the gun to get everyone on board by a certain date, you begin to talk with large groups of people, which cut down on dialog, and you try and move quickly &#8211; both to meet your deadline and to make sure everyone&#8217;s question gets answered.  Doing it this way rarely gets all the questions asked, fewer answered and very few answered satisfactorily.  Don&#8217;t plan a move until you know the vast majority of the group is on board.</li>
<li>Study your organization first.  Find out what they expect when it comes to making changes.  Are they willing to follow because they understand and believe or do they need to be a part of the crafting of the vision before they buy in. Give them what they need to make the move.  Asking them to move in the way you are most comfortable only works if everyone is exactly like you.</li>
<li>Not everyone will come along.  Don&#8217;t take people for granted and don&#8217;t be callous about some leaving, but don&#8217;t have expectations of perfection.</li>
</ol>
<p>Change is messy.  Doing it poorly is more messy, so do it really well.</p>
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</span><p>I was asked yesterday what I had learned about pastoring that would be different if I had to do it all over again.</p>
<p>Lots of stuff.  Among the most critical: Casting Vision.</p>
<p>Essential to moving an organization from one way of doing things to another is the understanding of where they are going and why it must be done in the most proficient way possible.  I&#8217;ve learned a few lessons the hard way.</p>
<ol>
<li>Don&#8217;t assume that because you understand it anyone else does.</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t assume that another person understands because they say they do.  They may honestly think they do, but they aren&#8217;t the best judge of that.  Ask clarifying questions to make sure they &#8220;get it.&#8221;</li>
<li>Communicate in multiple ways.  Not everybody understands things the same way.  Some are visual and need diagrams.  Others are verbal and need rich descriptions.  Communicate the same message in every conceivable fashion to hit everyone.</li>
<li>Cast your vision in smaller, non-pressure settings where questions and dialog are not threatening.  If an impending change is scheduled and you are under the gun to get everyone on board by a certain date, you begin to talk with large groups of people, which cut down on dialog, and you try and move quickly &#8211; both to meet your deadline and to make sure everyone&#8217;s question gets answered.  Doing it this way rarely gets all the questions asked, fewer answered and very few answered satisfactorily.  Don&#8217;t plan a move until you know the vast majority of the group is on board.</li>
<li>Study your organization first.  Find out what they expect when it comes to making changes.  Are they willing to follow because they understand and believe or do they need to be a part of the crafting of the vision before they buy in. Give them what they need to make the move.  Asking them to move in the way you are most comfortable only works if everyone is exactly like you.</li>
<li>Not everyone will come along.  Don&#8217;t take people for granted and don&#8217;t be callous about some leaving, but don&#8217;t have expectations of perfection.</li>
</ol>
<p>Change is messy.  Doing it poorly is more messy, so do it really well.</p>
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		<title>Normal and the Preacher&#8217;s Kid</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>My friend Cole Hedgecock posted an article detailing the causes of PK&#8217;s (Preacher&#8217;s Kids for all you non-churchy folks) leaving the church when they become adults.  Fascinating stuff, you can read it at his blog, <a title="Colemine Extractions|why PK's leave the church" href="http://colehedgecock.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html" target="_blank">Colemine Extractions: Why PK&#8217;s leave the church</a>.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot there, but I think you can reduce it all into the ability to make the home of the Pastor a &#8220;normal&#8221; one.  Where the experience of growing up at the center of the church&#8217;s perspective is not all that different from being the &#8220;average&#8221; kid in the church.</p>
<p>Here are some things we&#8217;ve tried to do in order to make sure our kids are as close to normal as possible.</p>
<ol>
<li>Make sure that you don&#8217;t ask your kids to be &#8220;perfect.&#8221;  Pastors are often times perfectionists (typically first borns) and they can be demanding.  Don&#8217;t be unrealistic.</li>
<li>Be honest about your spiritual ups and downs.  They have them.  If they know you have them, they know it&#8217;s &#8220;normal&#8221; and don&#8217;t feel like they can&#8217;t live up to your seemingly abnormal spirituality.</li>
<li>Be good talkers and listeners.  All parents need to be good listeners, but you need it more.  If you notice that your kid is not telling you something, then gently work harder to build the trust that allows them to talk about it.  And when they tell you something that sends you reeling, don&#8217;t freak out or it&#8217;s the last thing you&#8217;ll hear from them until they&#8217;ve made some huge mistakes.</li>
<li>Communicate to the church that your kids don&#8217;t have special expectations from you and that you are telling them that they don&#8217;t have to live up to anyone&#8217;s special expectations from the church.  The church needs to expect the same from them as they do from the next kid in the Youth Group.</li>
<li>Be there.  It is a must that your job is not 40 hrs/week and that you are always on call, however&#8230; you must lock out  time to coach their little league or soccer teams.  Attend their extra curricular events.  Take pictures while you are there and put them all over Facebook or Flickr.  Let them see that you value them.  If they know that you value the church over them by always being at meetings and other responsibilities instead of their things, you can expect that they will resent it.  Your first responsibility as pastor is to pastor your family.  The church has to accept this as well.  Not all churches do.  If they don&#8217;t, perhaps they aren&#8217;t the church for you.</li>
<li>Laugh.  A lot.  We keep running jokes in our house and celebrate our kids&#8217; senses of humor.  Nothing feels good like fun and a fun family is cherished, not resented.</li>
</ol>
<p>Those are a few of my thoughts.  Anything you&#8217;d like to add?</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ee/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/04/normal-and-the-preachers-kid/">November 4, 2010</a>, <a href='http://mightyfowl.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bob Cleveland</a> writes: One other thought. Most pastors are well educated as to the devil and his wiles, so the devil would likely be less direct in his attacks, than with a normal church attender. But one way he CAN get to preachers is to get to the preacher's kids, who are not as trained and/or experienced in that area.

I recall a few times when sharing that thought with a preacher, or his family, has been most helpful for them.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/04/normal-and-the-preachers-kid/">November 4, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: Good word, Bob.  Thanks for adding.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/06/13/spinning-morris-chapman/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spinning Morris Chapman">Spinning Morris Chapman</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/10/16/small-hidden-economic-stimulus/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Small, Hidden Economic Stimulus">Small, Hidden Economic Stimulus</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/11/02/daylight-savings-observation/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Daylight Savings Observation&#8230;">Daylight Savings Observation&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/11/15/sbtc/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: SBTC">SBTC</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/05/22/heres-missional/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Here&#8217;s Missional">Here&#8217;s Missional</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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</span><p>My friend Cole Hedgecock posted an article detailing the causes of PK&#8217;s (Preacher&#8217;s Kids for all you non-churchy folks) leaving the church when they become adults.  Fascinating stuff, you can read it at his blog, <a title="Colemine Extractions|why PK's leave the church" href="http://colehedgecock.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html" target="_blank">Colemine Extractions: Why PK&#8217;s leave the church</a>.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot there, but I think you can reduce it all into the ability to make the home of the Pastor a &#8220;normal&#8221; one.  Where the experience of growing up at the center of the church&#8217;s perspective is not all that different from being the &#8220;average&#8221; kid in the church.</p>
<p>Here are some things we&#8217;ve tried to do in order to make sure our kids are as close to normal as possible.</p>
<ol>
<li>Make sure that you don&#8217;t ask your kids to be &#8220;perfect.&#8221;  Pastors are often times perfectionists (typically first borns) and they can be demanding.  Don&#8217;t be unrealistic.</li>
<li>Be honest about your spiritual ups and downs.  They have them.  If they know you have them, they know it&#8217;s &#8220;normal&#8221; and don&#8217;t feel like they can&#8217;t live up to your seemingly abnormal spirituality.</li>
<li>Be good talkers and listeners.  All parents need to be good listeners, but you need it more.  If you notice that your kid is not telling you something, then gently work harder to build the trust that allows them to talk about it.  And when they tell you something that sends you reeling, don&#8217;t freak out or it&#8217;s the last thing you&#8217;ll hear from them until they&#8217;ve made some huge mistakes.</li>
<li>Communicate to the church that your kids don&#8217;t have special expectations from you and that you are telling them that they don&#8217;t have to live up to anyone&#8217;s special expectations from the church.  The church needs to expect the same from them as they do from the next kid in the Youth Group.</li>
<li>Be there.  It is a must that your job is not 40 hrs/week and that you are always on call, however&#8230; you must lock out  time to coach their little league or soccer teams.  Attend their extra curricular events.  Take pictures while you are there and put them all over Facebook or Flickr.  Let them see that you value them.  If they know that you value the church over them by always being at meetings and other responsibilities instead of their things, you can expect that they will resent it.  Your first responsibility as pastor is to pastor your family.  The church has to accept this as well.  Not all churches do.  If they don&#8217;t, perhaps they aren&#8217;t the church for you.</li>
<li>Laugh.  A lot.  We keep running jokes in our house and celebrate our kids&#8217; senses of humor.  Nothing feels good like fun and a fun family is cherished, not resented.</li>
</ol>
<p>Those are a few of my thoughts.  Anything you&#8217;d like to add?</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ee/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/04/normal-and-the-preachers-kid/">November 4, 2010</a>, <a href='http://mightyfowl.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bob Cleveland</a> writes: One other thought. Most pastors are well educated as to the devil and his wiles, so the devil would likely be less direct in his attacks, than with a normal church attender. But one way he CAN get to preachers is to get to the preacher's kids, who are not as trained and/or experienced in that area.

I recall a few times when sharing that thought with a preacher, or his family, has been most helpful for them.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/04/normal-and-the-preachers-kid/">November 4, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: Good word, Bob.  Thanks for adding.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/06/13/spinning-morris-chapman/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spinning Morris Chapman">Spinning Morris Chapman</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/10/16/small-hidden-economic-stimulus/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Small, Hidden Economic Stimulus">Small, Hidden Economic Stimulus</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/11/02/daylight-savings-observation/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Daylight Savings Observation&#8230;">Daylight Savings Observation&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/11/15/sbtc/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: SBTC">SBTC</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/05/22/heres-missional/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Here&#8217;s Missional">Here&#8217;s Missional</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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		<title>Institutional v. Missional: 12 Marks of the Missional Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
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<p>I found a <a title="Acts 29 Network|12 marks of the Missional Church" href="http://www.acts29network.org/article/twelve-marks-of-a-missional-church/" target="_blank">great article from the Acts 29 church planting network on the Missional and Institutional church</a>.  The article is written with an overview of terms and cultural contexts from which the terms arise.  If the terms &#8220;institutional&#8221; and &#8220;missional&#8221; don&#8217;t make much sense to you when applied to the church, this article will help.  It&#8217;s well worth your time, if you choose to read it.</p>
<p>Though I am unconvinced the Missional Church&#8217;s worship must be unpredictable and messy (sounds like chaos?) as described in point 12, I would agree that routine within worship kills.</p>
<p>At the end of the article, the reader is given an opportunity to evaluate the church of which they are a part by judging 12 markers of either the Missional Church, the Evangelical Church or the Institutional Church.  Just to whet your appetite, here are the 12 marks of the Missional Church:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>The Missional Church:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">1. Sent by God as missionaries in their own culture (Mt. 4:19).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">2. Exists to take Christ to the lost: Go to the world (Mt. 28:18-20).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">3. Members are personally engaged in their communities (Acts 16:20; 17:6).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">4. Submerged into its culture like Christ (Luke 7:34).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">5. Main focus is training and equipping others to be missionaries (Eph. 4:11-16).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">6. Dependent upon Holy Spirit to use individuals as agents for evangelizing (Acts 1:8).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">7. Develops relationships with the lost on purpose (Matt. 5:13-16).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">8. Relationships are the means to influence others in their journey toward Christ (John 1512-17; 1 John 4:19-21).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">9. The goal is to help others find Jesus in their own way and timing (1 Cor. 9:20-23).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">10. Participants are affected in every way through a calling by God to be an agent for the gospel (Acts 4:13, 31-35).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">11. Faith is practiced in community &#8211; groups of people together (Acts 2:42-45; Phil. 1:27).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">12. Worship is unpredictable, spontaneous, Spirit-directed and messy (John 4:23-24).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>The Evangelical Church:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">1. Has a program of missions alongside numerous activities of the church.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">2. Exists as a place for the lost to find Christ: Come to the Church.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">3. Members are supportive of mission efforts.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">4. Separated from its culture as a holy quest.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">5. Main focus is supporting mission works &#8211; mainly overseas.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">6. Dependent upon altar call and big events as its main tool for evangelization.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">7. Knows a few lost people and prays for their salvation.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">8. Uses marketing techniques &amp; business principles to draw people to a corporate gathering.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">9. The goal is to produce salvation results.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">10. Participants conform to man-made standards through guilt and pressure. Change is through self-will, not Spirit.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">11. Faith is practiced at the church building during prescribed gathering times.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">12. Worship is structured, predictable and orderly.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>The Institutional Church:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">1. Sends money to missionaries in foreign countries if it is convenient.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">2. Exists for the members of the church: Join the Church.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">3. Members expect pastors to bring in the lost and unchurched.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">4. Has become a sub-culture of Christians living in a parallel universe.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">5. Main focus is supporting church activities to attract new families.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">6. Dependent upon pastors and staff to evangelize the lost.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">7. Stays away from the lost; has very few dealings with those outside the church.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">8. Uses tradition, denomination and family ties to attract and keep members.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">9. The goal is to increase attendance.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">10. Participants compartmentalize their religion and their lives &#8211; generally facades of religious adherence.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">11. Faith is a routine activity that is private and personal.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">12. Worship is ritualistic.</p>
<p>You can find the scoring tool at the end of <a title="Acts 29 Network|12 marks of the Missional Church" href="http://www.acts29network.org/article/twelve-marks-of-a-missional-church/" target="_blank">the article</a>.</p>
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Anyway, I thought that it was still relevant.  I guess that's obvious.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/03/institutional-v-missional-12-marks-of-the-missional-church/">November 3, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: As I reread that comment above, it came off as flippant.  Sorry.  Didn't mean for it to read that way.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/03/institutional-v-missional-12-marks-of-the-missional-church/">November 7, 2010</a>, Keith Cape Town writes: We see the same in South Africa. However there is a groundswell of people, actiavted by the Holy Spirit who are planting the Gospel into people's lives and we're seeing communities of people, who are freely expressing their love for Christ and their neighbours. It seems a new wineskin is already taking shape and missional lifestyles are more common than before. Africa is rotten with religion and ripe for the Spirit.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/ivm/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: I V M">I V M</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/07/28/institutional-v-missional-church-structure/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Institutional v. Missional Church:  Structure">Institutional v. Missional Church:  Structure</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/11/03/simply-missional-article-from-ed-stetzer-and-eric-geiger/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Simply Missional Article from Ed Stetzer and Eric Geiger">Simply Missional Article from Ed Stetzer and Eric Geiger</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/07/29/alan-hirsch-is-stealing-my-thunder/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Alan Hirsch is stealing my thunder!!!">Alan Hirsch is stealing my thunder!!!</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2009/03/03/institutional-v-missional-church-denominations/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Institutional v. Missional Church:  Denominations">Institutional v. Missional Church:  Denominations</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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<p>I found a <a title="Acts 29 Network|12 marks of the Missional Church" href="http://www.acts29network.org/article/twelve-marks-of-a-missional-church/" target="_blank">great article from the Acts 29 church planting network on the Missional and Institutional church</a>.  The article is written with an overview of terms and cultural contexts from which the terms arise.  If the terms &#8220;institutional&#8221; and &#8220;missional&#8221; don&#8217;t make much sense to you when applied to the church, this article will help.  It&#8217;s well worth your time, if you choose to read it.</p>
<p>Though I am unconvinced the Missional Church&#8217;s worship must be unpredictable and messy (sounds like chaos?) as described in point 12, I would agree that routine within worship kills.</p>
<p>At the end of the article, the reader is given an opportunity to evaluate the church of which they are a part by judging 12 markers of either the Missional Church, the Evangelical Church or the Institutional Church.  Just to whet your appetite, here are the 12 marks of the Missional Church:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>The Missional Church:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">1. Sent by God as missionaries in their own culture (Mt. 4:19).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">2. Exists to take Christ to the lost: Go to the world (Mt. 28:18-20).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">3. Members are personally engaged in their communities (Acts 16:20; 17:6).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">4. Submerged into its culture like Christ (Luke 7:34).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">5. Main focus is training and equipping others to be missionaries (Eph. 4:11-16).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">6. Dependent upon Holy Spirit to use individuals as agents for evangelizing (Acts 1:8).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">7. Develops relationships with the lost on purpose (Matt. 5:13-16).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">8. Relationships are the means to influence others in their journey toward Christ (John 1512-17; 1 John 4:19-21).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">9. The goal is to help others find Jesus in their own way and timing (1 Cor. 9:20-23).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">10. Participants are affected in every way through a calling by God to be an agent for the gospel (Acts 4:13, 31-35).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">11. Faith is practiced in community &#8211; groups of people together (Acts 2:42-45; Phil. 1:27).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">12. Worship is unpredictable, spontaneous, Spirit-directed and messy (John 4:23-24).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>The Evangelical Church:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">1. Has a program of missions alongside numerous activities of the church.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">2. Exists as a place for the lost to find Christ: Come to the Church.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">3. Members are supportive of mission efforts.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">4. Separated from its culture as a holy quest.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">5. Main focus is supporting mission works &#8211; mainly overseas.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">6. Dependent upon altar call and big events as its main tool for evangelization.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">7. Knows a few lost people and prays for their salvation.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">8. Uses marketing techniques &amp; business principles to draw people to a corporate gathering.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">9. The goal is to produce salvation results.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">10. Participants conform to man-made standards through guilt and pressure. Change is through self-will, not Spirit.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">11. Faith is practiced at the church building during prescribed gathering times.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">12. Worship is structured, predictable and orderly.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>The Institutional Church:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">1. Sends money to missionaries in foreign countries if it is convenient.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">2. Exists for the members of the church: Join the Church.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">3. Members expect pastors to bring in the lost and unchurched.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">4. Has become a sub-culture of Christians living in a parallel universe.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">5. Main focus is supporting church activities to attract new families.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">6. Dependent upon pastors and staff to evangelize the lost.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">7. Stays away from the lost; has very few dealings with those outside the church.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">8. Uses tradition, denomination and family ties to attract and keep members.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">9. The goal is to increase attendance.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">10. Participants compartmentalize their religion and their lives &#8211; generally facades of religious adherence.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">11. Faith is a routine activity that is private and personal.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">12. Worship is ritualistic.</p>
<p>You can find the scoring tool at the end of <a title="Acts 29 Network|12 marks of the Missional Church" href="http://www.acts29network.org/article/twelve-marks-of-a-missional-church/" target="_blank">the article</a>.</p>
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Anyway, I thought that it was still relevant.  I guess that's obvious.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/03/institutional-v-missional-12-marks-of-the-missional-church/">November 3, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: As I reread that comment above, it came off as flippant.  Sorry.  Didn't mean for it to read that way.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/03/institutional-v-missional-12-marks-of-the-missional-church/">November 7, 2010</a>, Keith Cape Town writes: We see the same in South Africa. However there is a groundswell of people, actiavted by the Holy Spirit who are planting the Gospel into people's lives and we're seeing communities of people, who are freely expressing their love for Christ and their neighbours. It seems a new wineskin is already taking shape and missional lifestyles are more common than before. Africa is rotten with religion and ripe for the Spirit.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/ivm/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: I V M">I V M</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/07/28/institutional-v-missional-church-structure/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Institutional v. Missional Church:  Structure">Institutional v. Missional Church:  Structure</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/11/03/simply-missional-article-from-ed-stetzer-and-eric-geiger/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Simply Missional Article from Ed Stetzer and Eric Geiger">Simply Missional Article from Ed Stetzer and Eric Geiger</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/07/29/alan-hirsch-is-stealing-my-thunder/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Alan Hirsch is stealing my thunder!!!">Alan Hirsch is stealing my thunder!!!</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2009/03/03/institutional-v-missional-church-denominations/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Institutional v. Missional Church:  Denominations">Institutional v. Missional Church:  Denominations</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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		<title>Transitions: Deconstruction&#8230; Yes</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a title="Great Commission Resurgence Task Force of the Southern Baptist Convention" href="http://pray4gcr.com" target="_blank">The Great Commission Task Force gave its preliminary report to the Executive Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention</a> last night.  To listen to the rearrangements proposed, you would have to consider that they did choose to deconstruct&#8230; I wonder if they deconstructed everything.</p>
<p>This is not an endorsement or even a commentary of whether or not I agree with their report.  It&#8217;s not a response in any way.  But it is a recognition that in moving the SBC from one thing to another, the group responsible for the initial direction has had to go through some similar processes as Pastors and lay leaders do when transitioning a church.</p>
<p>You do have to deconstruct &#8211; that is break down the elements that make the whole, understand how they work and why, comprehend the intended result and the actual result.  Then, knowing where you need to go, you can map out a change.</p>
<p>*Please note that deconstruction is not destruction.  I had one person message me with that misunderstanding and, of course, the two things are quite different.</p>
<p>The question I posed the other day was <a title="12 Witnesses|Deconstruct... Everything?" href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/18/transitions-deconstructing-everything/" target="_blank">when transitioning, do you have to deconstruct EVERYTHING</a>&#8230; or could you just process through the major systems?</p>
<p>While I asked for opinions, the only ones I received were in email form and twitter direct messages.  On the other hand, it was read at a much higher rate than any of my other posts in the year.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, even if everyone else is shy, I promised my answer and so I&#8217;ll give it now:  Yes.  You must deconstruct everything.</p>
<p>Truly, there will be things that you will not think to evaluate, but that you really should.  Simply put, the better you understand it all, the easier it will be.  While solid deconstruction and the understanding it produces does not guarantee success or even ease and failure to accomplish the process of deconstruction does not promise failure in the transition, the fruit of your efforts is greater and sweeter to all when a sweeping inventory is undertaken.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ee/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/23/deconstruction-yes/">February 23, 2010</a>, DeAnn writes: Art
 just thinking about what this really means......"breaking  down the elements that making  the whole, understand how they work and why, comprehend the intended result and the actual result.  Then, knowing where you need to go, you can map out a change...." Does that mean look at every activity that SDBC holds and participates in and attempting to understand why it is done and compare the intended results  vs actual results.... ie . wed night dinners, monthly bday dinners, home groups, SS, Sun eve worship, etc???</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/23/deconstruction-yes/">February 23, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: Great application.  Yes.

Remember this is about understanding things, not taking them apart literally.

Having said that, yes, to successfully transition, it is helpful to evaluate and understand all these things.  What are they intended to do?  What do they actually do? What do we want to accomplish? Do these things accomplish them? Can we alter them to accomplish what we want? What would that take? How do the people feel about it?  What would it take to get them to change?  What's the best way to communicate it?

Of course, all this is easy to type from the couch tonight, but it's a lot harder to do in real life.

Besides that, no matter what leadership does in terms of deconstruction and leadership, that's no guarantee that the people will follow.  Sometimes you can do it all right and it's still not enough.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/23/deconstruction-yes/">February 24, 2010</a>, Dj writes: You're dead on.  Jesus was the greatest leader this world has ever seen, and yet so many failed to follow.  Even more, much of how he led actually turned people away from where he was leading. . . from where he was going.  It's true.  Not everyone will follow, especially when your destination is to die to self.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/18/transitions-deconstructing-everything/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Transitions:  Deconstructing&#8230; everything?">Transitions:  Deconstructing&#8230; everything?</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/03/03/transitions-culture/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Transitions: Culture">Transitions: Culture</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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</span><p><a title="Great Commission Resurgence Task Force of the Southern Baptist Convention" href="http://pray4gcr.com" target="_blank">The Great Commission Task Force gave its preliminary report to the Executive Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention</a> last night.  To listen to the rearrangements proposed, you would have to consider that they did choose to deconstruct&#8230; I wonder if they deconstructed everything.</p>
<p>This is not an endorsement or even a commentary of whether or not I agree with their report.  It&#8217;s not a response in any way.  But it is a recognition that in moving the SBC from one thing to another, the group responsible for the initial direction has had to go through some similar processes as Pastors and lay leaders do when transitioning a church.</p>
<p>You do have to deconstruct &#8211; that is break down the elements that make the whole, understand how they work and why, comprehend the intended result and the actual result.  Then, knowing where you need to go, you can map out a change.</p>
<p>*Please note that deconstruction is not destruction.  I had one person message me with that misunderstanding and, of course, the two things are quite different.</p>
<p>The question I posed the other day was <a title="12 Witnesses|Deconstruct... Everything?" href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/18/transitions-deconstructing-everything/" target="_blank">when transitioning, do you have to deconstruct EVERYTHING</a>&#8230; or could you just process through the major systems?</p>
<p>While I asked for opinions, the only ones I received were in email form and twitter direct messages.  On the other hand, it was read at a much higher rate than any of my other posts in the year.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, even if everyone else is shy, I promised my answer and so I&#8217;ll give it now:  Yes.  You must deconstruct everything.</p>
<p>Truly, there will be things that you will not think to evaluate, but that you really should.  Simply put, the better you understand it all, the easier it will be.  While solid deconstruction and the understanding it produces does not guarantee success or even ease and failure to accomplish the process of deconstruction does not promise failure in the transition, the fruit of your efforts is greater and sweeter to all when a sweeping inventory is undertaken.</p>
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 just thinking about what this really means......"breaking  down the elements that making  the whole, understand how they work and why, comprehend the intended result and the actual result.  Then, knowing where you need to go, you can map out a change...." Does that mean look at every activity that SDBC holds and participates in and attempting to understand why it is done and compare the intended results  vs actual results.... ie . wed night dinners, monthly bday dinners, home groups, SS, Sun eve worship, etc???</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/23/deconstruction-yes/">February 23, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: Great application.  Yes.

Remember this is about understanding things, not taking them apart literally.

Having said that, yes, to successfully transition, it is helpful to evaluate and understand all these things.  What are they intended to do?  What do they actually do? What do we want to accomplish? Do these things accomplish them? Can we alter them to accomplish what we want? What would that take? How do the people feel about it?  What would it take to get them to change?  What's the best way to communicate it?

Of course, all this is easy to type from the couch tonight, but it's a lot harder to do in real life.

Besides that, no matter what leadership does in terms of deconstruction and leadership, that's no guarantee that the people will follow.  Sometimes you can do it all right and it's still not enough.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/23/deconstruction-yes/">February 24, 2010</a>, Dj writes: You're dead on.  Jesus was the greatest leader this world has ever seen, and yet so many failed to follow.  Even more, much of how he led actually turned people away from where he was leading. . . from where he was going.  It's true.  Not everyone will follow, especially when your destination is to die to self.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/18/transitions-deconstructing-everything/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Transitions:  Deconstructing&#8230; everything?">Transitions:  Deconstructing&#8230; everything?</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/03/03/transitions-culture/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Transitions: Culture">Transitions: Culture</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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		<title>Transitions:  Deconstructing&#8230; everything?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As you may know, I&#8217;ve been pastor of Skelly Drive Baptist Church for three and a half years now.  The stated intent when I was called, by both the church and myself, was to transition the church from what it was into a church more effective at reaching today&#8217;s society.  You can read more about what I think that church might look like here: <a title="Art Rogers|12 Witnesses: IVM (Institutional v. Missional)" href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/ivm" target="_blank">IVM</a>.</p>
<p>While the specific form of the church is not the subject of this series of articles, the act of transitioning a church is.</p>
<p>Transitioning anything, especially an organization of people joined around a common perceived purpose, requires some level of deconstruction.  You must look at what the systems are, what they intend to produce, what they actually produce and what you want them to produce.  Only then will you be able know what to change to get them from one inefficient or misapplied system (if they need change) to the more efficient system.</p>
<p>But the process of deconstruction is a dangerous one.  Not everyone, particularly in a church that has it&#8217;s own history and exists within the American church culture, is a fan of change or is even capable of it.</p>
<p>And the nature of deconstruction in the collective mind is to explain to everyone why the way they&#8217;ve been doing it is WRONG.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way it is perceived, anyway, and it creates resistance.</p>
<p>All of this begs the question(s):  When transitioning, must you deconstruct everything?  Must all deconstruction be revealed to the full organization?  What is public and what is private?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you to opine on this today (if you will).  My thoughts and experiences later.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ee/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/18/transitions-deconstructing-everything/">February 23, 2010</a>, <a href='http://mightyfowl.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bob Cleveland</a> writes: I've always opined that God helps us do what we ought to be doing, and also pays for it. And similarly, he doesn't help with,  or pay for, what He doesn't.

Somewhere in the SBC there MUST be people who can tell the difference, don't have an ax to grind, and are willing to help us stop doing what God doesn't want and start doing what He does.

I don't think we have to tear down the building in order to clean out the closets and build an addition, as it were.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/18/transitions-deconstructing-everything/">February 23, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: <blockquote>I don’t think we have to tear down the building in order to clean out the closets and build an addition, as it were.</blockquote>

Again, I think we need to be careful about mistaking deconstruction for destruction (I'm not assuming you've made that mistake, btw...)

Good deconstruction can help us get where we are without having to destroy everything.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/23/deconstruction-yes/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Transitions: Deconstruction&#8230; Yes">Transitions: Deconstruction&#8230; Yes</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/03/03/transitions-culture/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Transitions: Culture">Transitions: Culture</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/08/05/more-missional-links/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: More Missional Links&#8230;">More Missional Links&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/02/14/book-review-journeys/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Book Review:  Journeys">Book Review:  Journeys</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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</span><p>As you may know, I&#8217;ve been pastor of Skelly Drive Baptist Church for three and a half years now.  The stated intent when I was called, by both the church and myself, was to transition the church from what it was into a church more effective at reaching today&#8217;s society.  You can read more about what I think that church might look like here: <a title="Art Rogers|12 Witnesses: IVM (Institutional v. Missional)" href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/ivm" target="_blank">IVM</a>.</p>
<p>While the specific form of the church is not the subject of this series of articles, the act of transitioning a church is.</p>
<p>Transitioning anything, especially an organization of people joined around a common perceived purpose, requires some level of deconstruction.  You must look at what the systems are, what they intend to produce, what they actually produce and what you want them to produce.  Only then will you be able know what to change to get them from one inefficient or misapplied system (if they need change) to the more efficient system.</p>
<p>But the process of deconstruction is a dangerous one.  Not everyone, particularly in a church that has it&#8217;s own history and exists within the American church culture, is a fan of change or is even capable of it.</p>
<p>And the nature of deconstruction in the collective mind is to explain to everyone why the way they&#8217;ve been doing it is WRONG.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way it is perceived, anyway, and it creates resistance.</p>
<p>All of this begs the question(s):  When transitioning, must you deconstruct everything?  Must all deconstruction be revealed to the full organization?  What is public and what is private?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you to opine on this today (if you will).  My thoughts and experiences later.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ee/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/18/transitions-deconstructing-everything/">February 23, 2010</a>, <a href='http://mightyfowl.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bob Cleveland</a> writes: I've always opined that God helps us do what we ought to be doing, and also pays for it. And similarly, he doesn't help with,  or pay for, what He doesn't.

Somewhere in the SBC there MUST be people who can tell the difference, don't have an ax to grind, and are willing to help us stop doing what God doesn't want and start doing what He does.

I don't think we have to tear down the building in order to clean out the closets and build an addition, as it were.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/18/transitions-deconstructing-everything/">February 23, 2010</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: <blockquote>I don’t think we have to tear down the building in order to clean out the closets and build an addition, as it were.</blockquote>

Again, I think we need to be careful about mistaking deconstruction for destruction (I'm not assuming you've made that mistake, btw...)

Good deconstruction can help us get where we are without having to destroy everything.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/02/23/deconstruction-yes/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Transitions: Deconstruction&#8230; Yes">Transitions: Deconstruction&#8230; Yes</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/03/03/transitions-culture/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Transitions: Culture">Transitions: Culture</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/08/05/more-missional-links/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: More Missional Links&#8230;">More Missional Links&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/02/14/book-review-journeys/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Book Review:  Journeys">Book Review:  Journeys</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.238) )</small>
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