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		<title>A few thoughts on the busy-ness of life and our relationship with God</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I can go no further down the road of my responsibilities without stopping to spend time in prayer and meditation.  God has been faithful to me.  I must be dependent on Him.</p>
<p>I find that when I am not making myself depend on Him that He is making me depend on Him.  The latter is the more painful of the two that bring me to the same place.</p>
<p>And all things depend on Him.  He is trustworthy.  I can only live well in this life when I conform to this truth.</p>
<p>I waste time when I spend it on &#8220;responsibilities&#8221; to the detriment of time in prayer and meditation on God&#8217;s Word.  When the shallow consumes the eternal, there is little hope of joy or any spiritual success.</p>
<p>I am best able to handle everything the more I am conformed to the image of Christ.</p>
<p>In all things and in all ways I must pursue the image of Christ being revealed in me.</p>
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</span><p>I can go no further down the road of my responsibilities without stopping to spend time in prayer and meditation.  God has been faithful to me.  I must be dependent on Him.</p>
<p>I find that when I am not making myself depend on Him that He is making me depend on Him.  The latter is the more painful of the two that bring me to the same place.</p>
<p>And all things depend on Him.  He is trustworthy.  I can only live well in this life when I conform to this truth.</p>
<p>I waste time when I spend it on &#8220;responsibilities&#8221; to the detriment of time in prayer and meditation on God&#8217;s Word.  When the shallow consumes the eternal, there is little hope of joy or any spiritual success.</p>
<p>I am best able to handle everything the more I am conformed to the image of Christ.</p>
<p>In all things and in all ways I must pursue the image of Christ being revealed in me.</p>
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		<title>Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Last night I found myself yawning while halfway through that stunning foray into modern film making that is the movie, &#8220;Twister.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right when it was getting &#8220;good,&#8221; I got up, turned off the TV and lights, locked the doors and went to bed.  I had begrudgingly remembered the lesson I learned in Seminary (not in class, that would have been too practical) that sometimes Spiritual Disciplines are as much about what you don&#8217;t do as they are about what you do &#8211; the routines you practice seeking Spiritual growth.</p>
<p>More succinctly put, being well rested allows a fresh mind and body to pursue God.  Sometimes that means going to bed instead of staying up and watching TV, reading, playing games, cruising Main Street&#8230;  you get the idea.</p>
<p>This is against my nature, and I mean more than just my &#8220;sin nature.&#8221;  I&#8217;m a night owl.  I like to stay up as late as is humanly possible and then meander off to bed in a fog of semi-consciousness.</p>
<p>Then the pesky alarm goes off and I have to wake up and start the day.  For me, after showering and dressing, I go through my devotion time.</p>
<p>But I do poorly, if I&#8217;ve stayed up late.  I labor to focus and persist in prayer less.  Then I struggle through the day, buoyed by neither a good night&#8217;s rest nor a significant time with God.</p>
<p>One other thing that derails me:  Being on the computer when it&#8217;s time to start my devotion.</p>
<p>Gotta go.</p>
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</span><p>Last night I found myself yawning while halfway through that stunning foray into modern film making that is the movie, &#8220;Twister.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right when it was getting &#8220;good,&#8221; I got up, turned off the TV and lights, locked the doors and went to bed.  I had begrudgingly remembered the lesson I learned in Seminary (not in class, that would have been too practical) that sometimes Spiritual Disciplines are as much about what you don&#8217;t do as they are about what you do &#8211; the routines you practice seeking Spiritual growth.</p>
<p>More succinctly put, being well rested allows a fresh mind and body to pursue God.  Sometimes that means going to bed instead of staying up and watching TV, reading, playing games, cruising Main Street&#8230;  you get the idea.</p>
<p>This is against my nature, and I mean more than just my &#8220;sin nature.&#8221;  I&#8217;m a night owl.  I like to stay up as late as is humanly possible and then meander off to bed in a fog of semi-consciousness.</p>
<p>Then the pesky alarm goes off and I have to wake up and start the day.  For me, after showering and dressing, I go through my devotion time.</p>
<p>But I do poorly, if I&#8217;ve stayed up late.  I labor to focus and persist in prayer less.  Then I struggle through the day, buoyed by neither a good night&#8217;s rest nor a significant time with God.</p>
<p>One other thing that derails me:  Being on the computer when it&#8217;s time to start my devotion.</p>
<p>Gotta go.</p>
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		<title>Spiritual Disciplines:  Worship</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>[Note:  I'll be blogging the Tulsa Metro Association (The World's Most Missional Association) Annual Meeting on Wednesday and Thursday.  It is not a LIVE blog (does that make it dead blogging?) but it will be fairly extensive.  I will not blog the reports in detail.  You're welcome.  I will blog the interaction with Frank Page and Milfred Minatrea.  There is some pretty good stuff there.  See you back here tomorrow for the details.]</p>
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<p>Never forget that several folks continue to blog the disciplines, and you cna find the full set of really good stuff at <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Words Are Not Enough:  Live From New Orleans</a>, the blog of Joe Kennedy.</p>
<p>Worship.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t know where to start.  Worship has been a subject of tremendous study and growth for me.  As a result, there is more than I can say than you will read on a blog.</p>
<p>The root of the word is wrapped up in &#8220;worth&#8221; or &#8220;value.&#8221;  I have heard that the etymology of the word is &#8220;worthschype&#8221; in &#8220;ye olde english,&#8221; which is to say, that to which you give worth, or value.</p>
<p>We were created to value God.  If we don&#8217;t give God the ultimate value in our lives, we will merely substitute something else into that place of priority.  In short, we are always worshiping.  The question is whether or not we are committing idolatry or worshiping  the Father in Spirit and Truth.</p>
<p>One of the most important thing any child of God can do within the context of their walk with God is evaluate what it is they are centering their life on; what it is they are worshiping.</p>
<p>That is an introspective side of worship.</p>
<p>The other great extrapolation of the truth that we were made to worship God is that when we do that, we fulfill our designed purpose.  We will always be out of joint and uncomfortable with ourselves when we fail to fulfill our designed purpose.</p>
<p>On the flip side, we will always have a sense of comfort and being &#8220;at home&#8221; when we do fulfill our designed purpose.  The world may be chaotic, we may be in pain or we may be on top of the world, but valuing God at His appropriate worth will bring us to the point of peace and give us the appropriate perspective.</p>
<p>We are never to low when we realize that God is in control and has not and will not leave us &#8211; we are not alone.  We are never to high when we realize that every good and perfect gift comes from the Father, and that we are not responsible for creating our own blessings.  Worship affords that perspective.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/09/spiritual-disciplines-worship/">August 2, 2008</a>, <a href='http://www.platformshoesministry.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Cheryl Moses</a> writes: I loved that term, "wrapped up in worth."  It's true.  Is the Lord worth your very best living everyday?  Worship is not just what we do when we come together on Sunday mornings.  Worship is how we live our lives.  I often pray, "Lord, let my life be as worship to You."  It is the adoration of a soul lost in wonder of a God who created all things yet longs for relationship with His created beings.  Worship comes from within, not from without.  It doesn't matter your physical posture or stream of music you use to convey the message of your heart.  What matters most is the posture of your heart.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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</span><p>[Note:  I'll be blogging the Tulsa Metro Association (The World's Most Missional Association) Annual Meeting on Wednesday and Thursday.  It is not a LIVE blog (does that make it dead blogging?) but it will be fairly extensive.  I will not blog the reports in detail.  You're welcome.  I will blog the interaction with Frank Page and Milfred Minatrea.  There is some pretty good stuff there.  See you back here tomorrow for the details.]</p>
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<p>Never forget that several folks continue to blog the disciplines, and you cna find the full set of really good stuff at <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Words Are Not Enough:  Live From New Orleans</a>, the blog of Joe Kennedy.</p>
<p>Worship.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t know where to start.  Worship has been a subject of tremendous study and growth for me.  As a result, there is more than I can say than you will read on a blog.</p>
<p>The root of the word is wrapped up in &#8220;worth&#8221; or &#8220;value.&#8221;  I have heard that the etymology of the word is &#8220;worthschype&#8221; in &#8220;ye olde english,&#8221; which is to say, that to which you give worth, or value.</p>
<p>We were created to value God.  If we don&#8217;t give God the ultimate value in our lives, we will merely substitute something else into that place of priority.  In short, we are always worshiping.  The question is whether or not we are committing idolatry or worshiping  the Father in Spirit and Truth.</p>
<p>One of the most important thing any child of God can do within the context of their walk with God is evaluate what it is they are centering their life on; what it is they are worshiping.</p>
<p>That is an introspective side of worship.</p>
<p>The other great extrapolation of the truth that we were made to worship God is that when we do that, we fulfill our designed purpose.  We will always be out of joint and uncomfortable with ourselves when we fail to fulfill our designed purpose.</p>
<p>On the flip side, we will always have a sense of comfort and being &#8220;at home&#8221; when we do fulfill our designed purpose.  The world may be chaotic, we may be in pain or we may be on top of the world, but valuing God at His appropriate worth will bring us to the point of peace and give us the appropriate perspective.</p>
<p>We are never to low when we realize that God is in control and has not and will not leave us &#8211; we are not alone.  We are never to high when we realize that every good and perfect gift comes from the Father, and that we are not responsible for creating our own blessings.  Worship affords that perspective.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/09/spiritual-disciplines-worship/">August 2, 2008</a>, <a href='http://www.platformshoesministry.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Cheryl Moses</a> writes: I loved that term, "wrapped up in worth."  It's true.  Is the Lord worth your very best living everyday?  Worship is not just what we do when we come together on Sunday mornings.  Worship is how we live our lives.  I often pray, "Lord, let my life be as worship to You."  It is the adoration of a soul lost in wonder of a God who created all things yet longs for relationship with His created beings.  Worship comes from within, not from without.  It doesn't matter your physical posture or stream of music you use to convey the message of your heart.  What matters most is the posture of your heart.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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<p>Confession.</p>
<p>I remember vividly when I found out what the word &#8220;confession&#8221; actually means.  You see, in our culture, we equate confession with the telling of something unknown &#8211; to spill the beans, so to speak.  Like a criminal admitting to a crime to the police.  No longer a need to go t trial, the criminal confessed &#8211; now we know.</p>
<p>The word &#8220;confess&#8221; in the New Testament is a compound word made of of two simple parts:  (homo) the same, and (logeo) to speak or say &#8211; to break it down simplistically.  The accurate translation is something along the lines of &#8220;to say the same thing about&#8221; or &#8220;to agree.&#8221;</p>
<p>So to confess your sin to God is to agree with Him about your sin.  You are certainly not telling Him something He doesn&#8217;t know.  You are not &#8220;spilling the beans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rather, you are looking at your sin from God&#8217;s perspective and agreeing with Him about it.  The reason we participate in sin, aside from being born into it, is that we fail to see sin for what it really is &#8211; the way He sees it.</p>
<p>As a discipline, confession is about introspectively evaluating the things in your life through God&#8217;s eyes and changing your mind if it doesn&#8217;t line up with the way you have been looking at it.  By constantly filtering your worldview this way, your personal holiness is refined and you become more and more conformed to the image of Christ.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/">October 2, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.paulburleson.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Paul Burleson</a> writes: Art,

This is one of the simplier, better statements on this topic that I've heard. "You become more and more conformed to the image of Christ." Changed...growing...enjoying the forgiveness we already have in Christ.  How true. 

Good stuff.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/">October 2, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.paulburleson.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Paul Burleson</a> writes: Take the "i" out of simpler and we're in good shape. Still good stuff..better than my spelling that's for sure.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/">October 3, 2007</a>, marie writes: Brother Art, I know that you are talking about confession to God of our sin which is so very important. I appreciate what you have said here.

When I first saw the title, though, I thought of an experience my husband and I had the previous night at our LIFEgroup meeting... A couple that was there confessed to us the struggles they are enduring at the moment and that some wrong decisions had helped get them to this point of trouble. The wife, who was doing most of the confessing, was in tears as she spoke, and revealed many deep struggles she was having in herself, as well.

The members of this LIFEgroup gathered around and began praying for them. The prayer was powerful and I believe God used this time to cleanse and renew this hurting couple.

What I am really wanting to relate to you is that during and after that confession and prayer time, as we were lifting up the Name of the LORD Jesus, the presence of the LORD was almost tangible! The Truth of our Oneness in Christ was powerful!

The LORD opened my eyes to see the connection of His Spirit as we confess to one another. The mystery of Christ in us has become so real to me in the last couple of weeks as He has shown the power in true community/fellowship.

John 17:23</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/">October 3, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: marie,

James wrote, "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The intense prayer of the righteous is very powerful."  (James 5:16)

Certainly, your experience was in this vein.  There is no doubt that the most powerful victories over my own sin have come from me sharing them with brothers and sisters I can trust.  The community, the fellowship - the release of shame - is vital.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling">Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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<p>Confession.</p>
<p>I remember vividly when I found out what the word &#8220;confession&#8221; actually means.  You see, in our culture, we equate confession with the telling of something unknown &#8211; to spill the beans, so to speak.  Like a criminal admitting to a crime to the police.  No longer a need to go t trial, the criminal confessed &#8211; now we know.</p>
<p>The word &#8220;confess&#8221; in the New Testament is a compound word made of of two simple parts:  (homo) the same, and (logeo) to speak or say &#8211; to break it down simplistically.  The accurate translation is something along the lines of &#8220;to say the same thing about&#8221; or &#8220;to agree.&#8221;</p>
<p>So to confess your sin to God is to agree with Him about your sin.  You are certainly not telling Him something He doesn&#8217;t know.  You are not &#8220;spilling the beans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rather, you are looking at your sin from God&#8217;s perspective and agreeing with Him about it.  The reason we participate in sin, aside from being born into it, is that we fail to see sin for what it really is &#8211; the way He sees it.</p>
<p>As a discipline, confession is about introspectively evaluating the things in your life through God&#8217;s eyes and changing your mind if it doesn&#8217;t line up with the way you have been looking at it.  By constantly filtering your worldview this way, your personal holiness is refined and you become more and more conformed to the image of Christ.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/">October 2, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.paulburleson.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Paul Burleson</a> writes: Art,

This is one of the simplier, better statements on this topic that I've heard. "You become more and more conformed to the image of Christ." Changed...growing...enjoying the forgiveness we already have in Christ.  How true. 

Good stuff.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/">October 2, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.paulburleson.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Paul Burleson</a> writes: Take the "i" out of simpler and we're in good shape. Still good stuff..better than my spelling that's for sure.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/">October 3, 2007</a>, marie writes: Brother Art, I know that you are talking about confession to God of our sin which is so very important. I appreciate what you have said here.

When I first saw the title, though, I thought of an experience my husband and I had the previous night at our LIFEgroup meeting... A couple that was there confessed to us the struggles they are enduring at the moment and that some wrong decisions had helped get them to this point of trouble. The wife, who was doing most of the confessing, was in tears as she spoke, and revealed many deep struggles she was having in herself, as well.

The members of this LIFEgroup gathered around and began praying for them. The prayer was powerful and I believe God used this time to cleanse and renew this hurting couple.

What I am really wanting to relate to you is that during and after that confession and prayer time, as we were lifting up the Name of the LORD Jesus, the presence of the LORD was almost tangible! The Truth of our Oneness in Christ was powerful!

The LORD opened my eyes to see the connection of His Spirit as we confess to one another. The mystery of Christ in us has become so real to me in the last couple of weeks as He has shown the power in true community/fellowship.

John 17:23</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/">October 3, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: marie,

James wrote, "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The intense prayer of the righteous is very powerful."  (James 5:16)

Certainly, your experience was in this vein.  There is no doubt that the most powerful victories over my own sin have come from me sharing them with brothers and sisters I can trust.  The community, the fellowship - the release of shame - is vital.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling">Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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		<title>Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</title>
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		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
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<p>Check out the full crew of Spiritual Disciplines bloggers at Joe Kennedy&#8217;s fraggelriffic blog,  <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Word&#8217;s Are Not Enough</a><a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">:  Live from New Orleans</a>.</p>
<p>Every person is a leader.  We all lead, but the question is always &#8220;Which way are you leading?&#8221;</p>
<p>Another pertinent question is &#8220;How are you leading?&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p> <span id="en-NIV-23815" class="sup">24</span>When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. <span id="en-NIV-23816" class="sup">25</span>Jesus called them together and said, &#8220;You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. <span id="en-NIV-23817" class="sup">26</span>Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, <span id="en-NIV-23818" class="sup">27</span>and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— <span id="en-NIV-23819" class="sup">28</span>just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.&#8221;</p>
<p>Matt. 20:24-28</p></blockquote>
<p>The essence of our relationship to Christ is service.  It is who He was and who He has specifically said that we should be.</p>
<p>The heart of service is that we would offer ourselves for the betterment of others, which is in opposition to the Gentiles in the above Scripture, who used those under them for their own benefit.</p>
<p>As a minister, it took me a long time to learn this lesson.  I started out twenty years ago with the idea that I was in charge.  Frankly, I held that idea through the next 14 years to varying degrees &#8211; which is why I think God never let me be a Lead Pastor until this last year.  I only started learning this lesson 6 years ago.</p>
<p>The Pastor as authoritarian leadership model that has been so prevalent over the last generation has had a horrible impact, in my opinion, on the church.  I have suffered under such leadership as a staff member, and that is one of the best reasons for me to attempt to avoid it at every turn.</p>
<p>As I started out with, however, service is a discipline for every Christian, as we are all leaders.</p>
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good post</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/">September 25, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: SV (Paul)

Thanks.

For those who don't know, Paul del Signore (sacred vapor) is one of those blogging the Spiritual Disciplines.  You should check him out.  He is always succinct, but has something significant to say.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/">September 25, 2007</a>, marie writes: At a week-end (out of town) retreat a few years ago, I was impacted by the speaker when he stressed that, as Christians, we should leave our rooms nicer than we found them. They should be swept clean so the housekeepers were not caused undue stress in having to clean up after us. 

This has carried over into other areas as well, such as eating out. I like to leave the table as clean as possible with all the dishes piled as close together as possible in order to make cleaning the table easier after we leave. I like to wipe it down too, if possible. There are so many opportunities to bless others by serving them when they least expect it.

I am grateful for this impact on my life. It has become a huge blessing to me and has opened my eyes to see from others' perspective. And not to think so much of myself!

I appreciate what you have said above. I am sure your congregants love your servant heart.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling">Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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<p>Every person is a leader.  We all lead, but the question is always &#8220;Which way are you leading?&#8221;</p>
<p>Another pertinent question is &#8220;How are you leading?&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p> <span id="en-NIV-23815" class="sup">24</span>When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. <span id="en-NIV-23816" class="sup">25</span>Jesus called them together and said, &#8220;You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. <span id="en-NIV-23817" class="sup">26</span>Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, <span id="en-NIV-23818" class="sup">27</span>and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— <span id="en-NIV-23819" class="sup">28</span>just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.&#8221;</p>
<p>Matt. 20:24-28</p></blockquote>
<p>The essence of our relationship to Christ is service.  It is who He was and who He has specifically said that we should be.</p>
<p>The heart of service is that we would offer ourselves for the betterment of others, which is in opposition to the Gentiles in the above Scripture, who used those under them for their own benefit.</p>
<p>As a minister, it took me a long time to learn this lesson.  I started out twenty years ago with the idea that I was in charge.  Frankly, I held that idea through the next 14 years to varying degrees &#8211; which is why I think God never let me be a Lead Pastor until this last year.  I only started learning this lesson 6 years ago.</p>
<p>The Pastor as authoritarian leadership model that has been so prevalent over the last generation has had a horrible impact, in my opinion, on the church.  I have suffered under such leadership as a staff member, and that is one of the best reasons for me to attempt to avoid it at every turn.</p>
<p>As I started out with, however, service is a discipline for every Christian, as we are all leaders.</p>
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good post</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/">September 25, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: SV (Paul)

Thanks.

For those who don't know, Paul del Signore (sacred vapor) is one of those blogging the Spiritual Disciplines.  You should check him out.  He is always succinct, but has something significant to say.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/">September 25, 2007</a>, marie writes: At a week-end (out of town) retreat a few years ago, I was impacted by the speaker when he stressed that, as Christians, we should leave our rooms nicer than we found them. They should be swept clean so the housekeepers were not caused undue stress in having to clean up after us. 

This has carried over into other areas as well, such as eating out. I like to leave the table as clean as possible with all the dishes piled as close together as possible in order to make cleaning the table easier after we leave. I like to wipe it down too, if possible. There are so many opportunities to bless others by serving them when they least expect it.

I am grateful for this impact on my life. It has become a huge blessing to me and has opened my eyes to see from others' perspective. And not to think so much of myself!

I appreciate what you have said above. I am sure your congregants love your servant heart.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling">Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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		<title>Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</title>
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<p>Submission.</p>
<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know anybody who is really good at this.  We all have a bent toward our own selfish motives.  It&#8217;s the sin in us that desires that we have what we want at the exclusion of what everyone else wants and even what God wants.</p>
<p>The role model for us in the is Christ, obviously.  Phil. 2 tells us of all He gave away in order to do the will of the Father.  Do remember that His life and sacrifice were acts of submission.  It is poorly put to say that &#8220;Jesus died for us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me clarify that, so that you don&#8217;t freak out and miss the point.  He loves us, His sacrifice was in order to accomplish the propitiation of sins, but His life, death and resurrection wasn&#8217;t done with us at the center of His mind and heart, but with the Father at the center.  To do His will.  To submit.</p>
<p>I know, that deserves some more unpacking, but let&#8217;s save that for another day, shall we?  Suffice it today that we remember the Garden where Jesus asked that the cup of sacrifice pass from Him, if possible, nevertheless, not His will, but the Father&#8217;s be done.</p>
<p>Submission.</p>
<p>For us it must be first to the Father.  Without submission to Him, submission to others is impossible.</p>
<p>I equate that to the writing of a blank check.  Sign it and turn it over, saying, &#8220;Fill it in and cash it, Lord.&#8221;  In other words, you commit before His asking, that whatever He asks, you will do.  Your agreement to do what He asks is not dependent in any way on what He asks.</p>
<p>Being submitted to the Father gives us the humble heart we need to submit to others in leadership over us.</p>
<p>The flip side of this, as alluded to earlier, is rebellion.  The prideful, self centered heart, that only sees things for how they will relate to self.</p>
<p>Have you ever known a person that never does anything wrong?  They get fired from every job they have because the manager is an idiot and won&#8217;t listen.  They struggle with friendships because their friends inevitably do something or need something that costs them, and that&#8217;s not why they are around, in their mind.</p>
<p>Ever know anyone like that?</p>
<p>Ever BEEN anyone like that?</p>
<p>I have.</p>
<p>Sometimes, I still am.</p>
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"All a leader can do is submit. Some spiritual leaders try to be more committed. What they need to be is more submitted."--Henry and Richard Blackaby</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/">September 18, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Debbie,

Thanks for the encouragement.  I identify.

Kevin,

Really good quote.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling">Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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<p>Submission.</p>
<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know anybody who is really good at this.  We all have a bent toward our own selfish motives.  It&#8217;s the sin in us that desires that we have what we want at the exclusion of what everyone else wants and even what God wants.</p>
<p>The role model for us in the is Christ, obviously.  Phil. 2 tells us of all He gave away in order to do the will of the Father.  Do remember that His life and sacrifice were acts of submission.  It is poorly put to say that &#8220;Jesus died for us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me clarify that, so that you don&#8217;t freak out and miss the point.  He loves us, His sacrifice was in order to accomplish the propitiation of sins, but His life, death and resurrection wasn&#8217;t done with us at the center of His mind and heart, but with the Father at the center.  To do His will.  To submit.</p>
<p>I know, that deserves some more unpacking, but let&#8217;s save that for another day, shall we?  Suffice it today that we remember the Garden where Jesus asked that the cup of sacrifice pass from Him, if possible, nevertheless, not His will, but the Father&#8217;s be done.</p>
<p>Submission.</p>
<p>For us it must be first to the Father.  Without submission to Him, submission to others is impossible.</p>
<p>I equate that to the writing of a blank check.  Sign it and turn it over, saying, &#8220;Fill it in and cash it, Lord.&#8221;  In other words, you commit before His asking, that whatever He asks, you will do.  Your agreement to do what He asks is not dependent in any way on what He asks.</p>
<p>Being submitted to the Father gives us the humble heart we need to submit to others in leadership over us.</p>
<p>The flip side of this, as alluded to earlier, is rebellion.  The prideful, self centered heart, that only sees things for how they will relate to self.</p>
<p>Have you ever known a person that never does anything wrong?  They get fired from every job they have because the manager is an idiot and won&#8217;t listen.  They struggle with friendships because their friends inevitably do something or need something that costs them, and that&#8217;s not why they are around, in their mind.</p>
<p>Ever know anyone like that?</p>
<p>Ever BEEN anyone like that?</p>
<p>I have.</p>
<p>Sometimes, I still am.</p>
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"All a leader can do is submit. Some spiritual leaders try to be more committed. What they need to be is more submitted."--Henry and Richard Blackaby</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/">September 18, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Debbie,

Thanks for the encouragement.  I identify.

Kevin,

Really good quote.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling">Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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		<title>Spiritual Disciplines:  Solitude</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
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<p>Consider here the traditional toss to <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Words Are Not Enough: Live From New Orleans</a> from Joe Kennedy.  There you will find a list of the bloggers and their subsequent posts on the various Spiritual Disciplines to date.  Gracias.</p>
<p>Solitude.  This discipline is much akin to <a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/" target="_blank">Silence</a> for many reasons, most obvious.</p>
<p>If I struggle with the discipline of Silence, then Solitude is all but a complete failure.  I am alone, mostly when I am studying, but that time is so short as to be all but inconsequential in the process of solitude.</p>
<p>The benefit of solitude, much the same as silence, is for the ability to be unfettered by distraction.  Whereas I perceive silence to be more about hearing from God, I sense that solitude is at least partially about our ability to process what God has spoken to us.</p>
<p>You see, for me, solitude is not necessarily silent.  I&#8217;m a kinesthetic learner, so that means I think better when I walk and talk.  That&#8217;s why I move around the stage when I preach.  If I were stuck motionless behind the pulpit, I wouldn&#8217;t even be able to think through what I am saying at the moment.  When it comes to processing my life, I like to walk and talk to God about everything.  I usually create a trail to walk through even the smallest of places and then just move and let my mind go through the process, verbalizing as I go.</p>
<p>As such, it can&#8217;t be a short amount of time.</p>
<p>In order for us to process all that God is doing around us, we need to think individually about each situation and collectively about all of them so that we get glimpses of God at work in the little pictures and they inform the big picture.</p>
<p>I have a friend who keeps encouraging me to build in sabbatical times to my work and personal schedule.  It sounds really good, too, but I have yet to do it.  He said he takes a couple of days every three months and goes on a personal retreat by himself and spends time with God, reading his Bible and reading other books.</p>
<p>I think that one of the reasons I have yet to do it is that I am afraid of what the church might say. It doesn&#8217;t look like work to most American church members, who already suspect the pastoral staff of their church of having it too easy. This is often not helped by actual pastoral staff who &#8220;phone it in&#8221; and spend their days out of the office, out of reach.  Espescially if they are then spotted recreating out in the community.</p>
<p>I digress.</p>
<p>The fact is that time alone is vital for our ability to process.  As I am writing this article on Monday night, my kids are at the table still eating while I am trying to type.  They were having one of the most juvenile conversations I could ever have imagined.  (Imagine that &#8211; they&#8217;re kids!)  On top of the lowbrow content of their conversation, they were also being loud and my son, Jimmy, was repeating a particular phrase that he found amusing.  This is kind of his modus operandi.  He is 13.  Finally, I told them, &#8220;Hush!&#8221;  Not in the, as my wife calls it, &#8220;preacher&#8221; voice, but in a kind of exasperated, &#8220;please can you give me a break&#8221; voice.</p>
<p>There was no silence, but the cacophony squelched slightly before regaining momentum.  I shushed them a couple of more times before finally relenting and moving to another room.  I can still hear them, but it is removed enough that I can put words together in coherent fashion.</p>
<p>You see, to think- to really process &#8211; we need to be alone.</p>
<p>Now, maybe I am splitting hairs between the outworking of Silence and the outworking of Solitude.  Beyond these differences, though, I can&#8217;t see much else that separates them.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/11/spiritual-disciplines-solitude/">September 11, 2007</a>, <a href='http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Joe Kennedy</a> writes: I think the biggest and really only important distinction is that I only truly feel free to be myself and worship God when I'm alone.  When I'm in the mountains or on the beach, I find it difficult to remain silent.  Every ounce of me is screaming to let it out, to respond to the beauty of God in the presence of his majestic creation.  If creation is so beautiful, how much more beautiful is the one who made it?

So while I'm in solitude, I can't remain in silence.  It becomes a time of worship, internally and externally.

But there are also times when I am in silence and solitude as well.  It's just both for me.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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<p>Consider here the traditional toss to <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Words Are Not Enough: Live From New Orleans</a> from Joe Kennedy.  There you will find a list of the bloggers and their subsequent posts on the various Spiritual Disciplines to date.  Gracias.</p>
<p>Solitude.  This discipline is much akin to <a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/" target="_blank">Silence</a> for many reasons, most obvious.</p>
<p>If I struggle with the discipline of Silence, then Solitude is all but a complete failure.  I am alone, mostly when I am studying, but that time is so short as to be all but inconsequential in the process of solitude.</p>
<p>The benefit of solitude, much the same as silence, is for the ability to be unfettered by distraction.  Whereas I perceive silence to be more about hearing from God, I sense that solitude is at least partially about our ability to process what God has spoken to us.</p>
<p>You see, for me, solitude is not necessarily silent.  I&#8217;m a kinesthetic learner, so that means I think better when I walk and talk.  That&#8217;s why I move around the stage when I preach.  If I were stuck motionless behind the pulpit, I wouldn&#8217;t even be able to think through what I am saying at the moment.  When it comes to processing my life, I like to walk and talk to God about everything.  I usually create a trail to walk through even the smallest of places and then just move and let my mind go through the process, verbalizing as I go.</p>
<p>As such, it can&#8217;t be a short amount of time.</p>
<p>In order for us to process all that God is doing around us, we need to think individually about each situation and collectively about all of them so that we get glimpses of God at work in the little pictures and they inform the big picture.</p>
<p>I have a friend who keeps encouraging me to build in sabbatical times to my work and personal schedule.  It sounds really good, too, but I have yet to do it.  He said he takes a couple of days every three months and goes on a personal retreat by himself and spends time with God, reading his Bible and reading other books.</p>
<p>I think that one of the reasons I have yet to do it is that I am afraid of what the church might say. It doesn&#8217;t look like work to most American church members, who already suspect the pastoral staff of their church of having it too easy. This is often not helped by actual pastoral staff who &#8220;phone it in&#8221; and spend their days out of the office, out of reach.  Espescially if they are then spotted recreating out in the community.</p>
<p>I digress.</p>
<p>The fact is that time alone is vital for our ability to process.  As I am writing this article on Monday night, my kids are at the table still eating while I am trying to type.  They were having one of the most juvenile conversations I could ever have imagined.  (Imagine that &#8211; they&#8217;re kids!)  On top of the lowbrow content of their conversation, they were also being loud and my son, Jimmy, was repeating a particular phrase that he found amusing.  This is kind of his modus operandi.  He is 13.  Finally, I told them, &#8220;Hush!&#8221;  Not in the, as my wife calls it, &#8220;preacher&#8221; voice, but in a kind of exasperated, &#8220;please can you give me a break&#8221; voice.</p>
<p>There was no silence, but the cacophony squelched slightly before regaining momentum.  I shushed them a couple of more times before finally relenting and moving to another room.  I can still hear them, but it is removed enough that I can put words together in coherent fashion.</p>
<p>You see, to think- to really process &#8211; we need to be alone.</p>
<p>Now, maybe I am splitting hairs between the outworking of Silence and the outworking of Solitude.  Beyond these differences, though, I can&#8217;t see much else that separates them.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/11/spiritual-disciplines-solitude/">September 11, 2007</a>, <a href='http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Joe Kennedy</a> writes: I think the biggest and really only important distinction is that I only truly feel free to be myself and worship God when I'm alone.  When I'm in the mountains or on the beach, I find it difficult to remain silent.  Every ounce of me is screaming to let it out, to respond to the beauty of God in the presence of his majestic creation.  If creation is so beautiful, how much more beautiful is the one who made it?

So while I'm in solitude, I can't remain in silence.  It becomes a time of worship, internally and externally.

But there are also times when I am in silence and solitude as well.  It's just both for me.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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		<title>Spiritual Disciplines:  Silence</title>
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<p>As always, check out the full list of bloggers who are blogging the Spiritual Disciplines at Joe Kennedy&#8217;s blog, <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Words are not Enough, Live From New Orleans</a>.</p>
<p>Silence.  I have an amazing dynamic tension between silence and noise.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t concentrate with noise.  I do so much better when I have silence.  Even soft music is a supreme distraction to me.  Voices in the hall, noises in neighboring offices, anything, everything prevent me from experiencing focus unless I remove myself from all of it.</p>
<p>On the other hand, when I am still, I struggle to remain still and focus my mind.  Of all the disciplines, to me, this takes the most &#8220;self discipline.&#8221;   Especially in our very cluttered culture that desires our attention at every turn.</p>
<p>You see, our culture wants our time, our energy and our money.  The first step to getting these things is to get our attention.</p>
<p>So I am used to having things pull my attention back and forth from one subject to another in rapid fire succession.  When no one is pulling, I habitually let my mind flit from thought to thought out of habit.</p>
<p>So, silence is hard.</p>
<p>But out of silence is born the innate sense that God is directing you.   Why do we wonder what God&#8217;s will for us is all of the time?  Because we aren&#8217;t able to hear Him speak to us.  Why not?  Is He no longer speaking?  No.  God is a God of revelation.  He desires that we know Him and His direction.</p>
<p>Some would say that He has left us His Word, and that is enough.  I know many who know the Word very well, but show no evidence that God is directing the decisions of their lives.  Knowing the Word is the first step in allowing God to direct us. He speaks through His Word.  He will never violate the direction of his Word.  Nevertheless,  answers to the questions about which job offer to take are often not addressed specifically in His Word.</p>
<p>I had a Youth Minister who used to tell us that God didn&#8217;t care what we did in those kinds of situations, so long as we didn&#8217;t violate His principles.  Sounds good, but that is a move toward Open Theism and a small God, not a Sovereign Lord of all things, which is how I read Him described in His Word.</p>
<p>Anyway, all of that is simply to say that I think God whispers to us phenomenal things.  Things about Who He is and where we should be in life and to whom He would like us to speak about Christ today.  I don&#8217;t think you have to be still and silent to hear that, either.</p>
<p>I do think that you have to be still and silent to learn to recognize His voice over the cacophony of other things wanting your attention.  I can recognize my wife&#8217;s voice across a crowded and noisy room.  I&#8217;ve spent time with her.  Her voice is precious to me.  On the other hand, I may not recognize a friend&#8217;s voice in the same room.  They may be close, and even dear to me, but they haven&#8217;t spent the TIME in conversation with me that my wife has.  Moreover, I don&#8217;t listen to them the way I listen to my wife.  She gets more of my attention than anyone else on the planet.  The question is not whether or not God is speaking or even if He is saying deep and meaningful things to us.  The question is whether or not we treat Him like a friend or our true love.  Do we listen to Him?  Do we allow Him to speak and us to listen?</p>
<p>Did you ever know anyone who, it seemed, God whispered in their ear?  They were always just a little closer than the rest of us beloved children?  They seemed to have more joy and peace in hard times and wisdom in the crucial moment?</p>
<p>Everyone I have ever known that fit that description has been someone who habitually got alone with God, away from everything that could distract, and got&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>silent.</p>
<p>By the way.  Hearing a &#8220;special word from God&#8221; is not the reason to be silent.  He may do that.  The main thing, though, is to remove clutter from your mind and focus on Him, which is of so many benefits in every area of our walk with Him.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, Joseph M. Smith writes: The discipline of silence in some Catholic monasteries bears witness to the value of what you are speaking about.  I recall, years ago, reading Thomas Merton, how powerful he felt the silence of the Trappist monastery to be.  I have a pastor friend who takes a retreat every year at Gethsemani in Kentucky, so that she can experience that silence and hear God's voice, free from the distractions of parish life.  For her, as for me, those distractions are not so much the ringing phone or the chatter of the TV as they are the voices in the head that keep on saying, "You need to do .. do .. do"</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.mcelroycounseling.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bowden McElroy</a> writes: Art,
Is "hearing from God" another way to describe the gift of discernment?  And if so, isn't more than silence required?</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: JMS,

"those distractions are not so much the ringing phone or the chatter of the TV as they are the voices in the head that keep on saying, 'You need to do .. do .. do'"

Excellent insight.

Bowden,

I would not equate the spiritual gift of discernment with "hearing from God."  They are closely related, but not specifically the same thing, I think.  Discernment reaches far beyond a decision to do this or not do that, into being able to perceive motives for example.  Also, I have known some to be very discerning, but not very sensitive to the movement of God in a particular moment.  Again, closely related, but not simply the same thing.

An example of the difference would be that Discernment would help you understand why someone in your congregation is arguing for a particular thing in business meeting, and you are able to address the real need, satisfy those involved and help broker peace and unity in the congregation.  Hearing God speak might be that you sit down to eat in a cafeteria and suddenly sense that there was someone in another room that God wants you to approach.  You can't discern something that you don't perceive in the first place.  No, the latter situation doesn't happen often, but I think that is more likely because we have so few among us who have uncluttered lives; who have spent time learning to recognize the voice of God when He speaks.

Nevertheless, for discernment and for the ability to sense God moving, silence is extremely valuable, but no, not the only thing needed.  I also think you need a willfully obedient heart, for instance, to hear God clearly and well.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, marie writes: I not only have to have silence to focus, but need to be in a somewhat enclosed area in order to feel "alone" with God. Is this silly? Also, I seem to be unable to have a quiet time unless I am home by myself. It seems that my husband always needs something from the side of the house I'm on, or my Mother (who lives down stairs) will come to see me...Yikes! Then I get angry because my quiet time is interrupted! Am I a sorry excuse for a Christian, or what!!!! :)

Silence truly is valuable and I miss so many opportunities to tune into God by being about the things that are not really important.

Thank you for the reminder that to "know" God, we must be with God in the silence so that we will come to know Him intimately.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: I don't think it is the sign of a weak Christian to want to protect your time alone with God.

The Bible speaks of God being jealous of our love for Him.  I'm sure that us being somewhat jealous for our time with Him is allowed, though bad behavior may not be. :)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, marie writes: Thank you for the gentle rebuke. :)

Self-discipline, unfortunately, is not something I've excelled at which is probably why I get interrupted so much. One day Peace will rule, so help me God! :-D</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: I just threw the "bad behavior" comment in off the cuff.  I didn't mean to hit a nerve.

Sorry?  :)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, marie writes: Oh no! You didn't hit a nerve! I needed to see that getting angry at being interrupted is FLESH. I truly meant thank you! (I wish I could underline the thank you!)

Blessings on your evening! :)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 5, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.rebekah1.wordpress.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Tim Rogers</a> writes: Brother Art,

Can you believe that you have now gotten 9 comments for a post on "Silence" as a self-discipline? :&gt;)

Great thoughts.

Blessings,
Tim</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 5, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.mightyfowl.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bob Cleveland</a> writes: One of the most life-changing times of my life was the first time I worshipped at Red Hills Baptist Church in Jamaica. In the middle of the wall behind the pulpit hangs a little sign, welded up by my friend Merrick Bethune, that says "Be Still And Know That I Am God". Nobody who has ever seen that can forget it, and its message is what kick-started that in my life.

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<p>As always, check out the full list of bloggers who are blogging the Spiritual Disciplines at Joe Kennedy&#8217;s blog, <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Words are not Enough, Live From New Orleans</a>.</p>
<p>Silence.  I have an amazing dynamic tension between silence and noise.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t concentrate with noise.  I do so much better when I have silence.  Even soft music is a supreme distraction to me.  Voices in the hall, noises in neighboring offices, anything, everything prevent me from experiencing focus unless I remove myself from all of it.</p>
<p>On the other hand, when I am still, I struggle to remain still and focus my mind.  Of all the disciplines, to me, this takes the most &#8220;self discipline.&#8221;   Especially in our very cluttered culture that desires our attention at every turn.</p>
<p>You see, our culture wants our time, our energy and our money.  The first step to getting these things is to get our attention.</p>
<p>So I am used to having things pull my attention back and forth from one subject to another in rapid fire succession.  When no one is pulling, I habitually let my mind flit from thought to thought out of habit.</p>
<p>So, silence is hard.</p>
<p>But out of silence is born the innate sense that God is directing you.   Why do we wonder what God&#8217;s will for us is all of the time?  Because we aren&#8217;t able to hear Him speak to us.  Why not?  Is He no longer speaking?  No.  God is a God of revelation.  He desires that we know Him and His direction.</p>
<p>Some would say that He has left us His Word, and that is enough.  I know many who know the Word very well, but show no evidence that God is directing the decisions of their lives.  Knowing the Word is the first step in allowing God to direct us. He speaks through His Word.  He will never violate the direction of his Word.  Nevertheless,  answers to the questions about which job offer to take are often not addressed specifically in His Word.</p>
<p>I had a Youth Minister who used to tell us that God didn&#8217;t care what we did in those kinds of situations, so long as we didn&#8217;t violate His principles.  Sounds good, but that is a move toward Open Theism and a small God, not a Sovereign Lord of all things, which is how I read Him described in His Word.</p>
<p>Anyway, all of that is simply to say that I think God whispers to us phenomenal things.  Things about Who He is and where we should be in life and to whom He would like us to speak about Christ today.  I don&#8217;t think you have to be still and silent to hear that, either.</p>
<p>I do think that you have to be still and silent to learn to recognize His voice over the cacophony of other things wanting your attention.  I can recognize my wife&#8217;s voice across a crowded and noisy room.  I&#8217;ve spent time with her.  Her voice is precious to me.  On the other hand, I may not recognize a friend&#8217;s voice in the same room.  They may be close, and even dear to me, but they haven&#8217;t spent the TIME in conversation with me that my wife has.  Moreover, I don&#8217;t listen to them the way I listen to my wife.  She gets more of my attention than anyone else on the planet.  The question is not whether or not God is speaking or even if He is saying deep and meaningful things to us.  The question is whether or not we treat Him like a friend or our true love.  Do we listen to Him?  Do we allow Him to speak and us to listen?</p>
<p>Did you ever know anyone who, it seemed, God whispered in their ear?  They were always just a little closer than the rest of us beloved children?  They seemed to have more joy and peace in hard times and wisdom in the crucial moment?</p>
<p>Everyone I have ever known that fit that description has been someone who habitually got alone with God, away from everything that could distract, and got&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>silent.</p>
<p>By the way.  Hearing a &#8220;special word from God&#8221; is not the reason to be silent.  He may do that.  The main thing, though, is to remove clutter from your mind and focus on Him, which is of so many benefits in every area of our walk with Him.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, Joseph M. Smith writes: The discipline of silence in some Catholic monasteries bears witness to the value of what you are speaking about.  I recall, years ago, reading Thomas Merton, how powerful he felt the silence of the Trappist monastery to be.  I have a pastor friend who takes a retreat every year at Gethsemani in Kentucky, so that she can experience that silence and hear God's voice, free from the distractions of parish life.  For her, as for me, those distractions are not so much the ringing phone or the chatter of the TV as they are the voices in the head that keep on saying, "You need to do .. do .. do"</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.mcelroycounseling.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bowden McElroy</a> writes: Art,
Is "hearing from God" another way to describe the gift of discernment?  And if so, isn't more than silence required?</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: JMS,

"those distractions are not so much the ringing phone or the chatter of the TV as they are the voices in the head that keep on saying, 'You need to do .. do .. do'"

Excellent insight.

Bowden,

I would not equate the spiritual gift of discernment with "hearing from God."  They are closely related, but not specifically the same thing, I think.  Discernment reaches far beyond a decision to do this or not do that, into being able to perceive motives for example.  Also, I have known some to be very discerning, but not very sensitive to the movement of God in a particular moment.  Again, closely related, but not simply the same thing.

An example of the difference would be that Discernment would help you understand why someone in your congregation is arguing for a particular thing in business meeting, and you are able to address the real need, satisfy those involved and help broker peace and unity in the congregation.  Hearing God speak might be that you sit down to eat in a cafeteria and suddenly sense that there was someone in another room that God wants you to approach.  You can't discern something that you don't perceive in the first place.  No, the latter situation doesn't happen often, but I think that is more likely because we have so few among us who have uncluttered lives; who have spent time learning to recognize the voice of God when He speaks.

Nevertheless, for discernment and for the ability to sense God moving, silence is extremely valuable, but no, not the only thing needed.  I also think you need a willfully obedient heart, for instance, to hear God clearly and well.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, marie writes: I not only have to have silence to focus, but need to be in a somewhat enclosed area in order to feel "alone" with God. Is this silly? Also, I seem to be unable to have a quiet time unless I am home by myself. It seems that my husband always needs something from the side of the house I'm on, or my Mother (who lives down stairs) will come to see me...Yikes! Then I get angry because my quiet time is interrupted! Am I a sorry excuse for a Christian, or what!!!! :)

Silence truly is valuable and I miss so many opportunities to tune into God by being about the things that are not really important.

Thank you for the reminder that to "know" God, we must be with God in the silence so that we will come to know Him intimately.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: I don't think it is the sign of a weak Christian to want to protect your time alone with God.

The Bible speaks of God being jealous of our love for Him.  I'm sure that us being somewhat jealous for our time with Him is allowed, though bad behavior may not be. :)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, marie writes: Thank you for the gentle rebuke. :)

Self-discipline, unfortunately, is not something I've excelled at which is probably why I get interrupted so much. One day Peace will rule, so help me God! :-D</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: I just threw the "bad behavior" comment in off the cuff.  I didn't mean to hit a nerve.

Sorry?  :)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 4, 2007</a>, marie writes: Oh no! You didn't hit a nerve! I needed to see that getting angry at being interrupted is FLESH. I truly meant thank you! (I wish I could underline the thank you!)

Blessings on your evening! :)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 5, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.rebekah1.wordpress.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Tim Rogers</a> writes: Brother Art,

Can you believe that you have now gotten 9 comments for a post on "Silence" as a self-discipline? :&gt;)

Great thoughts.

Blessings,
Tim</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/04/spiritual-disciplines-silence/">September 5, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.mightyfowl.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Bob Cleveland</a> writes: One of the most life-changing times of my life was the first time I worshipped at Red Hills Baptist Church in Jamaica. In the middle of the wall behind the pulpit hangs a little sign, welded up by my friend Merrick Bethune, that says "Be Still And Know That I Am God". Nobody who has ever seen that can forget it, and its message is what kick-started that in my life.

Good post.</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/11/spiritual-disciplines-solitude/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Solitude">Spiritual Disciplines:  Solitude</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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		<title>Spiritual Disciplines:  Simplicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
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<p>As always, check out the other articles from those folks blogging the spiritual disciplines at <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Words Are Not Enough</a>, live from New Orleans; aka Joe Kennedy&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Simplicity.</p>
<p>Hmm.  Frankly I&#8217;ve never really pursued simplicity.  It is not that I don&#8217;t think it worthy.  Just the opposite.  I think the simplistic lifestyle is a very worthy pursuit.  Just not one to which I have given myself.</p>
<p>Full disclosure, here.  I&#8217;m an 80&#8242;s guy.  High School and College &#8211; all of my independence and self growth &#8211; took place during the decade that was known for its self indulgence.  To say that I am a product of my culture is a no brainer.</p>
<p>That is not to say, however, that I am for the indulgence of my personal whims.  Quite the opposite.  In the last decade, my wife and I have not purchased things that we very much wanted because we could not afford them.  We are working our way out of debt, and are making some real headway, I might say.  Those who are self indulgent do not say &#8220;no&#8221; to their whims.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not quite &#8220;Simplicity&#8221; though, is it?  Simplicity is not about choosing the &#8220;goody&#8221; that it most wants and leaving the others behind.  Simplicity is about leaving aside things that complicate your life with desire, demands on your time and attention &#8211; things that make you complex.</p>
<p>I am all for not loving the things of the world.  1 John 2:15 &#8211; &#8220;Do not love the world, nor anything in the world.  If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I am drawn to complexity like a moth to flame.  I love my Treo, XBOX, Laptop, iPod and everything that I can hook these things up to or use to micromanage my life or fill it with things.  Often, these things are not inherently &#8220;wrong.&#8221;  The only games on my XBOX are sports; the songs on my iPod are almost exclusively Christian; I use my laptop to blog, but also to write sermons and prepare the outline/power point for them; my Treo is my link to church members, calendar of meetings, contacts and more.</p>
<p>As I said, they are not &#8220;wrong&#8221; in and of themselves, but is the complexity they bring, and that I so enjoy, what is best for my life in Christ?</p>
<p>I fill up my time so much that I am often exhausted.  When I am tired, I make poor decisions and I am not compassionate.  I have become so busy juggling my life that I fear slowing down.  You see, to drop what I have fought so long to keep in the air goes against the nature I have trained into myself.  I&#8217;ve spent a long time learning to juggle this life. I have invested money as well as effort in the ability to stay as busy as I am.  Frankly, it&#8217;s a habit that I enjoy and I can&#8217;t necessarily say is a sin, so I have a hard time thinking that I should not only start letting phone calls go, but actually turning off my phone.  What?  No email?  What if someone needs me?</p>
<p>As a result of this lifestyle, I often need a nap, yet seldom get one.  I often need to look on others with refreshed eyes that see God at work, but look on them with eyes that don&#8217;t really have time to take in the fullness of the picture before me &#8211; so many other things need my attention.  I often need to think clearly, but the demands of the massive amounts of information clutter my thoughts and confuse me.</p>
<p>I am not good at simplicity, but perhaps I should be.</p>
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Good stuff.  I purposely slow myself down four mornings a week when I go to Starbucks and journal my prayers, study and connect with others.  Thanks for the reminder.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/28/spiritual-disciplines-simplicity/">August 28, 2007</a>, Mike writes: Art,

Your statement, "I often need to think clearly, but the demands of the massive amounts of information clutter my thoughts and confuse me." was the money line for me. As a compulsive information gatherer (I'm in IT), I have lately found that I am often unable to follow through with the great information I find. I'm also losing the ability to keep what I've read in my personal devotion in my mind all day.

I am working at resolving this overload by learning to sit still outside, and use hiking and walking as a gentler stimulus to my mind.

I've also recently become concerned (convicted?)  that we have been raising our children to fill all of their time with some form of entertainment, even if it is the non-toxic Christian variety.  My wife and I sat on our porch Sunday afternoon, just being quiet...until we were bombarded with the 'I'm bored' complaints.

The question that haunts me: When exactly are they going to hear God speak to them?</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/28/spiritual-disciplines-simplicity/">August 30, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Thanks, guys for the thoughts.

Mike, your last thought about your kids ability to hear God haunts me as well.  I have allowed them to train themselves that they need to fill the silence with something.

When will they hear God speaking?</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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<p>As always, check out the other articles from those folks blogging the spiritual disciplines at <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Words Are Not Enough</a>, live from New Orleans; aka Joe Kennedy&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Simplicity.</p>
<p>Hmm.  Frankly I&#8217;ve never really pursued simplicity.  It is not that I don&#8217;t think it worthy.  Just the opposite.  I think the simplistic lifestyle is a very worthy pursuit.  Just not one to which I have given myself.</p>
<p>Full disclosure, here.  I&#8217;m an 80&#8242;s guy.  High School and College &#8211; all of my independence and self growth &#8211; took place during the decade that was known for its self indulgence.  To say that I am a product of my culture is a no brainer.</p>
<p>That is not to say, however, that I am for the indulgence of my personal whims.  Quite the opposite.  In the last decade, my wife and I have not purchased things that we very much wanted because we could not afford them.  We are working our way out of debt, and are making some real headway, I might say.  Those who are self indulgent do not say &#8220;no&#8221; to their whims.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not quite &#8220;Simplicity&#8221; though, is it?  Simplicity is not about choosing the &#8220;goody&#8221; that it most wants and leaving the others behind.  Simplicity is about leaving aside things that complicate your life with desire, demands on your time and attention &#8211; things that make you complex.</p>
<p>I am all for not loving the things of the world.  1 John 2:15 &#8211; &#8220;Do not love the world, nor anything in the world.  If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I am drawn to complexity like a moth to flame.  I love my Treo, XBOX, Laptop, iPod and everything that I can hook these things up to or use to micromanage my life or fill it with things.  Often, these things are not inherently &#8220;wrong.&#8221;  The only games on my XBOX are sports; the songs on my iPod are almost exclusively Christian; I use my laptop to blog, but also to write sermons and prepare the outline/power point for them; my Treo is my link to church members, calendar of meetings, contacts and more.</p>
<p>As I said, they are not &#8220;wrong&#8221; in and of themselves, but is the complexity they bring, and that I so enjoy, what is best for my life in Christ?</p>
<p>I fill up my time so much that I am often exhausted.  When I am tired, I make poor decisions and I am not compassionate.  I have become so busy juggling my life that I fear slowing down.  You see, to drop what I have fought so long to keep in the air goes against the nature I have trained into myself.  I&#8217;ve spent a long time learning to juggle this life. I have invested money as well as effort in the ability to stay as busy as I am.  Frankly, it&#8217;s a habit that I enjoy and I can&#8217;t necessarily say is a sin, so I have a hard time thinking that I should not only start letting phone calls go, but actually turning off my phone.  What?  No email?  What if someone needs me?</p>
<p>As a result of this lifestyle, I often need a nap, yet seldom get one.  I often need to look on others with refreshed eyes that see God at work, but look on them with eyes that don&#8217;t really have time to take in the fullness of the picture before me &#8211; so many other things need my attention.  I often need to think clearly, but the demands of the massive amounts of information clutter my thoughts and confuse me.</p>
<p>I am not good at simplicity, but perhaps I should be.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/28/spiritual-disciplines-simplicity/">August 28, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.talesfrommiddleearth.blogspot.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Strider</a> writes: Thanks for the confession Art.  The busy drivenness of the US is always a drain when I go back.  It is for this reason that many M's look forward to home-leave with a lot of fear and trepidation- we want to see family and friends but the 24/7 non-stop American pace is killing us all.  We need  to slow down, we need a real Sabbath rest.  We need to declutter and get debt free so that we can hear God's voice and move in obedience to what He is calling us to.  So just do it!  When you do you will be amazed at the amount of fear and anxiety that you suddenly shed.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/28/spiritual-disciplines-simplicity/">August 28, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.kevinbussey.wordpress.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kevin Bussey</a> writes: Art,

Good stuff.  I purposely slow myself down four mornings a week when I go to Starbucks and journal my prayers, study and connect with others.  Thanks for the reminder.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/28/spiritual-disciplines-simplicity/">August 28, 2007</a>, Mike writes: Art,

Your statement, "I often need to think clearly, but the demands of the massive amounts of information clutter my thoughts and confuse me." was the money line for me. As a compulsive information gatherer (I'm in IT), I have lately found that I am often unable to follow through with the great information I find. I'm also losing the ability to keep what I've read in my personal devotion in my mind all day.

I am working at resolving this overload by learning to sit still outside, and use hiking and walking as a gentler stimulus to my mind.

I've also recently become concerned (convicted?)  that we have been raising our children to fill all of their time with some form of entertainment, even if it is the non-toxic Christian variety.  My wife and I sat on our porch Sunday afternoon, just being quiet...until we were bombarded with the 'I'm bored' complaints.

The question that haunts me: When exactly are they going to hear God speak to them?</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/28/spiritual-disciplines-simplicity/">August 30, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Thanks, guys for the thoughts.

Mike, your last thought about your kids ability to hear God haunts me as well.  I have allowed them to train themselves that they need to fill the silence with something.

When will they hear God speaking?</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2010/11/15/sleep-and-spiritual-disciplines/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines">Sleep and Spiritual Disciplines</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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		<title>Spiritual Disciplines:  Journaling</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Spiritual Disciplines]]></category>

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<p>As always, check out the others blogging the Disciplines at <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Joe Kennedy’s place</a>.</p>
<p>I was first introduced to the concept of Journaling in seminary when I read Bill Hybel’s book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Honest-God-Bill-Hybels/dp/0310521815/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-7049670-5104032?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1187697455&amp;sr=8-2" target="_blank">Honest to God</a>. It was one of Bill’s first, if not THE first, and it was my first introduction to a guy who would become very well known among American Evangelicals, if not very well appreciated.</p>
<p>This is not about him, though, it is about journaling. As a part of the book, Bill took on personal time with God and encouraged people to journal as it had revolutionized his time with God. Seminary was a time of incredible Spiritual Growth for me.  The book and subsequent journaling that I added into my life was a major part of that.</p>
<p>When I journal, still to this day, I journal as per Bill’s suggestion. I write a page in my notebook about what is going on in my world. Obviously, as this is about time with God, I also reflect on Him and His work in my life. In other words, if I am enjoying good times or struggling with hard times, I write about them, but from the viewpoint of what I see God doing in them and in me. I go on to write out my prayers, but I’ve already written about <a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/07/31/spiritual-disciplines-prayer/" target="_blank">that</a>.</p>
<p>Journaling prepares my heart for prayer. It gets me focused on God. it helps me to think through the raw emotions that I am feeling and to focus on why I feel that way and if I am right or wrong to feel that way in light of what I know about God and what I know about the way He relates to me and the rest of His creation.</p>
<p>It is imperative that journals be kept safe. I have, on occasion, read to people from my journal, but only things that are “safe” for me. I know what you are thinking. You are thinking that you will find all my secret sins if you find my journals, but that is not what I am talking about.</p>
<p>If you are not committed to keeping your journals private, you begin to write with the idea that you are writing for posterity and not for honesty. If journaling is to be beneficial, it must be honest. Editing your words in a way that makes you sound a little better than you are, which is what you will do if you think that others will be one day reading your journals, will cause you to be shallow. Moreover, it will reinforce the bad behavior journaling is intended to alleviate &#8211; that of having a heart that is unprepared and sheltered from the probing eye of the Holy Spirit as you pray.</p>
<p>Not long after I started, I had grown so much in the endeavor, I became legalistically addicted to it. I had once left my journal in a friends’ room &#8211; I forget why I had it there, but I was not sharing it &#8211; and when I got up to have my time with God, I couldn’t find my journal.  As a result, I didn’t spend time with God. Journaling had become equivalent for me with time alone with God. No two ways around it &#8211; that’s idolatry.</p>
<p>So disciplines are means to an end, not an end to themselves.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 21, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: The server had some funky thing happening and they lost this post from yesterday.  I'll be reposting the comments after a funeral this morning.  Thanks to David Phillips, as always, for working it out.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 21, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Finally!

I came back to find the site back down again.  I talked with the tech folks at my hosting service and they finally got it working.

Below are the comments that were left yesterday.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 21, 2007</a>, <a href='http://cyleclayton.wordpress.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Cyle</a> writes: Journaling may be a religious practice, but is it really a spiritual discipline?   Fasting, prayer, worship, service, fellowship, scripture reading, sharing the gospel . . . those are all spiritual disciplines that are Scriptural.  Journaling is a practice that some have used to enhance their walk.  I also know that for many it simply becomes an adventure in navel-gazing.

P.S.  I journal.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 21, 2007</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: I think that journaling can be a discipline for some but not for others, depending on their learning style.  For me, it focuses me and helps me to pray, study, meditate, etc. better.

I know for a lot of people, it would not be beneficial to them, so I don't think it would qualify as a discipline for them.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 21, 2007</a>, <a href='http://kevinbussey.wordpress.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kevin Bussey</a> writes: I've journaled since 1995 after reading Hybel's book Too Busy Not To Pray.  It has changed my life especially my prayer life.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 22, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: I agree with Cyle - journaling is a discipline, beneficial to many, but it is not a "Spiritual" discipline.  There is a difference.  Equating journaling with the other 'spiritual' disciplines does them a dis-service.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 22, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Really?  A dis-service?  That's pretty dismissive.

Well, first of all, let us back up for a sec.  No one will find the things that we call disciplines labeled "disciplines" and grouped as such in the Bible.  The practice of calling them disciplines is our way of wrapping our minds around them.

As a result, it is a matter of opinion as to what is and is not a "discipline" in the spiritual sense.

Can journaling be used outside of the framework of growing spiritually?  Yes, but so can Meditation, Fasting, Study, Simplicity, Silence, Solitude, Submission, Service, Confession, Guidance, and Celebration.  All the disciplines excepting Worship and Prayer, but even they can be used - and in fact are used - by many others outside of a relationship with Christ.  (Wrongly so - I am not advocating prayer to or worship of anything other than God.)

What I mean to say is that these things are not holy in and of themselves, but means to personal growth.  When sought as means to personal growth in an intimate relationship with Jesus as your Lord, they are not just personal disciplines, but are Spiritual Disciplines.

In that light, I think it somewhat of an overstatement to say that journaling is not a spiritual discipline or that labeling it as such is a "dis-service" to the other so-called disciplines.

And what is journaling?  Is it not a form of meditation?  Of Prayer?  Of Worship?  Of Study?  In fact, my journaling includes all of these things as elements.  I think over my life and God's role in it.  I write out and then speak through my prayers (Worship, Confession, Thanksgiving, Supplication and Intercession).  Finally, I write out my thoughts as I study God's Word.

If you are just writing about your day, then, again, journaling isn't a "Spiritual" discipline for you.  It is a heck of a lot more for me and for many others.
I hope you don't mind, but even if you do, I'll just keep on thinking of it as the most cohesive and vital part of my personal spiritual growth and therefore keep calling it a Spiritual Discipline.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 22, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: Art, 

I was in no way being dismissive about the value and importance of journaling as a discipline.  I was merely speaking to it's classification of "spiritual".  Please do not take offense from my opinion.

For you, and many others, it IS spiritual, but it is not <b>inherently</b> spiritual - (Other 'spiritual' disciplines mentioned: fasting, prayer, worship, service, fellowship, scripture <i>intake</i>, sharing the gospel)  To say that people abuse / misuse the spiritual disciplines in a non-spiritual manner is true, but not evidence that they are not inherently spiritual in nature for followers of Christ.

The problem with elevating a non-spiritual discipline to the status of a 'spiritual' discipline is in the application.  The spiritual disciplines are commanded in Scripture and should be practiced by all followers of Christ (in theory.)  If someone does not practice the spiritual discipline of prayer or worship - they are sinning - I don't think there is any way you could claim otherwise.  However, can you say the same about someone who does not journal?  I don't think so.

I know of some very mature and obedient followers of Christ who are illiterate.  Journaling is NOT a discipline they should be expected or admonished to do, nor should it be implied they are not participating in a 'spiritual' discipline.

Blessings,
Steve</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 23, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Steve,

I'm not offended.  I just was trying to make a point.  We are in agreement about it not being inherently spiritual and not commanded by Scripture .  It is not a sin to not journal...

BUT, I would say that the same argument could be made for simplicity, solitude, guidance, service, etc.

Only a few of the things that are outlined as Spiritual Disciplines by those who write authoritatively concerning them are specifically defined in Scripture the way you are describing.  If that is the standard, and I have no problem with it being that, then all the rest of these things aren't to be called by that name either.

Nevertheless, I would put journaling above all those things not specifically commanded as, for me, it contains several of those things very specifically commanded.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 23, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: Art,

Thanks for your kind and informative response.

I'm curious, which authors do you refer to as " those who write authoritatively"?

My favorite book on the subject (after the Bible of course) is Donald S. Whitney's "Spiritual Disciplines for the Christian Life".  I first discovered it while at SEBTS and have read it a few times since then.

In his book, he also lists "Journaling" as a Spiritual discipline (chapter 11) however he admits at the beginning of the chapter that it is NOT a discipline commanded in Scripture.  (I disagree with the classification, but I agree with his points on it's importance for literate believers.)

I'm a newcomer to your blog, so maybe you've already listed the "authoritative authors" who provided your list of disciplines - could you link it here or list the author(s)?  

Thanks,
Steve</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 23, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Steve,

Well your first problem is that you went to SEBTS and not SWBTS.  :)


No, not many could truly be considered to be "authorities" on this, more's the pity.  We have book after book on our Lifeway shelves that are full of pablum and even some with what I consider to be false doctrine, but people don't write or sell these kinds of books much because there is not enough money in it.

I attended a leadership conference here over the weekend and the specialist for the BGCO in the area of prayer a Spiritual Awakening led a double conference in the morning.  He was humble and yet said some incredibly powerful things about our surrender, the hope of Spiritual Awakening in our churches and praying.  He was selling his books for the cost of printing - $2.

I haven't read it yet, but I bought it.  I think it has sold quite a bit, but I honestly can't say that I had heard of it before now.  That's what happens when you write about this subject - it's not about money so no one tracks it or celebrates its "success."  Since I haven't read it, I have no idea whether or not it is "authoritative," but the book is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Returning-Holiness-Gregory-R-Frizzell/dp/0966542479" rel="nofollow"><i>Returning to Holiness</i></a> by Dr. Greg Frizzell.

The other standard is "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Celebration-Discipline-Path-Spiritual-Growth/dp/0060628391/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7923345-7447051?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187875167&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><i>Celebration of the Discipline</i></a>" by Richard Foster.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 24, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: These days, what's the difference?  (SEBTS v SWBTS)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 24, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: Foster's Discipline list;
The inward disciplines; meditation, prayer, fasting, and study; the outward disciplines; simplicity, solitude, submission, and service; and the community disciplines; confession, worship, guidance, and celebration.

No "journaling" there.

Besides Whitney, who we already mentioned, who has written about journaling as a 'spiritual discipline'?

(oh, I meant to put a smiley :-) after my SEBTS v SWBTS remark.)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 24, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: "Only a few of the things that are outlined as Spiritual Disciplines by those who write authoritatively concerning them are specifically defined in Scripture the way you are describing."

That sentence does not say that those who write authoritatively include journaling.  It says that those who write authoritatively (I spent the bulk of a prior comment saying there were virtually none) about Spiritual Disciplines include things not specifically commanded in Scripture the way those things you quoted were.

If you want the ultimate authority, I suppose Joseph Kennedy is your answer.  It's in his list as well as mine.  :)

As for SWBTS v SEBTS, I was thinking more of "at the time when we were there" - I am assuming you are not "fresh" out of Seminary.  Nowadays - not much difference.  Frankly, between the two, I think SEBTS is the better school by far.  It's missional focus is very high and it is growing steadily.  The faculty is well spoken of, as well.

That was then, this is now.  Oh well.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 25, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: Thanks, my interest in this subject is officially sparked.  I'm going to make it a focus of study as soon as we get settled back in the states.

Blessings,
Steve</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">April 10, 2008</a>, Linda Bridges writes: Well guys, I enjoyed your discussion on whether or not Spiritual Journaling is a "spiritual discipline" or not. I worthy rabbit trail on the topic--however I was hoping to get more insights from the discussion on the actual "how to begin" or some guidelines.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">April 10, 2008</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: @<a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/#comment-14240#comment-14240" rel="nofollow"> Linda Bridges</a>:

Linda,

That's a great question, and I can't believe I didn't answer it better in the article in the first place.

Here's a few thoughts.

I have two kinds of journals.  One is a spiral notebook with lines - typical.  In this notebook, I write according to the description found in the third paragraph and the link there.

The second kind of journal I use is a <a href="http://moleskines.com" rel="nofollow">Moleskine</a>.  I use the graph paper lined that gives me some sense of spacial balance (that's just me) but I really write out of the box there.  I draw and go across pages to get into my right brain.  The content of that journal is also spiritual, but not in the sense of guiding me through prayer, as I use the other one.

In that notebook I write about my thoughts and ideas, sermon outlines, plans for our church's future, organizational diagrams, etc.  I try to be in the first (prayer) before I get to the second as a way to prepare my heart.

Also, I try to find a place that fits my learning style.  I am easily distracted, so I need some isolation.  I've been able to go to places like Panera Bread, but I need to get into a booth to cut down movement around me and I take my iPod to drown out the conversations around me.

I have a couple of albums/playlists that I can use that help my state of mind.  Of course, I also learn best through interaction, so it is best for my journaling for me to have some challenging conversations and then go write down my thoughts as they spill out.  That is when I am most productive.

Of course, that's how I tick.  It makes a difference as to who you are.

What other questions do you have?  Glad to help.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">February 24, 2009</a>, Al writes: What are the best scripture(s) to support the idea of journaling?</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/07/31/spiritual-disciplines-prayer/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines: Prayer">Spiritual Disciplines: Prayer</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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<p>As always, check out the others blogging the Disciplines at <a href="http://blog.wordsarenotenough.com/the-spiritual-disciplines/" target="_blank">Joe Kennedy’s place</a>.</p>
<p>I was first introduced to the concept of Journaling in seminary when I read Bill Hybel’s book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Honest-God-Bill-Hybels/dp/0310521815/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-7049670-5104032?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1187697455&amp;sr=8-2" target="_blank">Honest to God</a>. It was one of Bill’s first, if not THE first, and it was my first introduction to a guy who would become very well known among American Evangelicals, if not very well appreciated.</p>
<p>This is not about him, though, it is about journaling. As a part of the book, Bill took on personal time with God and encouraged people to journal as it had revolutionized his time with God. Seminary was a time of incredible Spiritual Growth for me.  The book and subsequent journaling that I added into my life was a major part of that.</p>
<p>When I journal, still to this day, I journal as per Bill’s suggestion. I write a page in my notebook about what is going on in my world. Obviously, as this is about time with God, I also reflect on Him and His work in my life. In other words, if I am enjoying good times or struggling with hard times, I write about them, but from the viewpoint of what I see God doing in them and in me. I go on to write out my prayers, but I’ve already written about <a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/07/31/spiritual-disciplines-prayer/" target="_blank">that</a>.</p>
<p>Journaling prepares my heart for prayer. It gets me focused on God. it helps me to think through the raw emotions that I am feeling and to focus on why I feel that way and if I am right or wrong to feel that way in light of what I know about God and what I know about the way He relates to me and the rest of His creation.</p>
<p>It is imperative that journals be kept safe. I have, on occasion, read to people from my journal, but only things that are “safe” for me. I know what you are thinking. You are thinking that you will find all my secret sins if you find my journals, but that is not what I am talking about.</p>
<p>If you are not committed to keeping your journals private, you begin to write with the idea that you are writing for posterity and not for honesty. If journaling is to be beneficial, it must be honest. Editing your words in a way that makes you sound a little better than you are, which is what you will do if you think that others will be one day reading your journals, will cause you to be shallow. Moreover, it will reinforce the bad behavior journaling is intended to alleviate &#8211; that of having a heart that is unprepared and sheltered from the probing eye of the Holy Spirit as you pray.</p>
<p>Not long after I started, I had grown so much in the endeavor, I became legalistically addicted to it. I had once left my journal in a friends’ room &#8211; I forget why I had it there, but I was not sharing it &#8211; and when I got up to have my time with God, I couldn’t find my journal.  As a result, I didn’t spend time with God. Journaling had become equivalent for me with time alone with God. No two ways around it &#8211; that’s idolatry.</p>
<p>So disciplines are means to an end, not an end to themselves.</p>
<img src="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/eadd809f/266bb3ed/CCBot/1.0 (+http://www.commoncrawl.org/bot.html).gif" /><hr /><h2>Comments</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 21, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: The server had some funky thing happening and they lost this post from yesterday.  I'll be reposting the comments after a funeral this morning.  Thanks to David Phillips, as always, for working it out.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 21, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Finally!

I came back to find the site back down again.  I talked with the tech folks at my hosting service and they finally got it working.

Below are the comments that were left yesterday.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 21, 2007</a>, <a href='http://cyleclayton.wordpress.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Cyle</a> writes: Journaling may be a religious practice, but is it really a spiritual discipline?   Fasting, prayer, worship, service, fellowship, scripture reading, sharing the gospel . . . those are all spiritual disciplines that are Scriptural.  Journaling is a practice that some have used to enhance their walk.  I also know that for many it simply becomes an adventure in navel-gazing.

P.S.  I journal.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 21, 2007</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: I think that journaling can be a discipline for some but not for others, depending on their learning style.  For me, it focuses me and helps me to pray, study, meditate, etc. better.

I know for a lot of people, it would not be beneficial to them, so I don't think it would qualify as a discipline for them.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 21, 2007</a>, <a href='http://kevinbussey.wordpress.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Kevin Bussey</a> writes: I've journaled since 1995 after reading Hybel's book Too Busy Not To Pray.  It has changed my life especially my prayer life.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 22, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: I agree with Cyle - journaling is a discipline, beneficial to many, but it is not a "Spiritual" discipline.  There is a difference.  Equating journaling with the other 'spiritual' disciplines does them a dis-service.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 22, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Really?  A dis-service?  That's pretty dismissive.

Well, first of all, let us back up for a sec.  No one will find the things that we call disciplines labeled "disciplines" and grouped as such in the Bible.  The practice of calling them disciplines is our way of wrapping our minds around them.

As a result, it is a matter of opinion as to what is and is not a "discipline" in the spiritual sense.

Can journaling be used outside of the framework of growing spiritually?  Yes, but so can Meditation, Fasting, Study, Simplicity, Silence, Solitude, Submission, Service, Confession, Guidance, and Celebration.  All the disciplines excepting Worship and Prayer, but even they can be used - and in fact are used - by many others outside of a relationship with Christ.  (Wrongly so - I am not advocating prayer to or worship of anything other than God.)

What I mean to say is that these things are not holy in and of themselves, but means to personal growth.  When sought as means to personal growth in an intimate relationship with Jesus as your Lord, they are not just personal disciplines, but are Spiritual Disciplines.

In that light, I think it somewhat of an overstatement to say that journaling is not a spiritual discipline or that labeling it as such is a "dis-service" to the other so-called disciplines.

And what is journaling?  Is it not a form of meditation?  Of Prayer?  Of Worship?  Of Study?  In fact, my journaling includes all of these things as elements.  I think over my life and God's role in it.  I write out and then speak through my prayers (Worship, Confession, Thanksgiving, Supplication and Intercession).  Finally, I write out my thoughts as I study God's Word.

If you are just writing about your day, then, again, journaling isn't a "Spiritual" discipline for you.  It is a heck of a lot more for me and for many others.
I hope you don't mind, but even if you do, I'll just keep on thinking of it as the most cohesive and vital part of my personal spiritual growth and therefore keep calling it a Spiritual Discipline.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 22, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: Art, 

I was in no way being dismissive about the value and importance of journaling as a discipline.  I was merely speaking to it's classification of "spiritual".  Please do not take offense from my opinion.

For you, and many others, it IS spiritual, but it is not <b>inherently</b> spiritual - (Other 'spiritual' disciplines mentioned: fasting, prayer, worship, service, fellowship, scripture <i>intake</i>, sharing the gospel)  To say that people abuse / misuse the spiritual disciplines in a non-spiritual manner is true, but not evidence that they are not inherently spiritual in nature for followers of Christ.

The problem with elevating a non-spiritual discipline to the status of a 'spiritual' discipline is in the application.  The spiritual disciplines are commanded in Scripture and should be practiced by all followers of Christ (in theory.)  If someone does not practice the spiritual discipline of prayer or worship - they are sinning - I don't think there is any way you could claim otherwise.  However, can you say the same about someone who does not journal?  I don't think so.

I know of some very mature and obedient followers of Christ who are illiterate.  Journaling is NOT a discipline they should be expected or admonished to do, nor should it be implied they are not participating in a 'spiritual' discipline.

Blessings,
Steve</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 23, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Steve,

I'm not offended.  I just was trying to make a point.  We are in agreement about it not being inherently spiritual and not commanded by Scripture .  It is not a sin to not journal...

BUT, I would say that the same argument could be made for simplicity, solitude, guidance, service, etc.

Only a few of the things that are outlined as Spiritual Disciplines by those who write authoritatively concerning them are specifically defined in Scripture the way you are describing.  If that is the standard, and I have no problem with it being that, then all the rest of these things aren't to be called by that name either.

Nevertheless, I would put journaling above all those things not specifically commanded as, for me, it contains several of those things very specifically commanded.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 23, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: Art,

Thanks for your kind and informative response.

I'm curious, which authors do you refer to as " those who write authoritatively"?

My favorite book on the subject (after the Bible of course) is Donald S. Whitney's "Spiritual Disciplines for the Christian Life".  I first discovered it while at SEBTS and have read it a few times since then.

In his book, he also lists "Journaling" as a Spiritual discipline (chapter 11) however he admits at the beginning of the chapter that it is NOT a discipline commanded in Scripture.  (I disagree with the classification, but I agree with his points on it's importance for literate believers.)

I'm a newcomer to your blog, so maybe you've already listed the "authoritative authors" who provided your list of disciplines - could you link it here or list the author(s)?  

Thanks,
Steve</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 23, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: Steve,

Well your first problem is that you went to SEBTS and not SWBTS.  :)


No, not many could truly be considered to be "authorities" on this, more's the pity.  We have book after book on our Lifeway shelves that are full of pablum and even some with what I consider to be false doctrine, but people don't write or sell these kinds of books much because there is not enough money in it.

I attended a leadership conference here over the weekend and the specialist for the BGCO in the area of prayer a Spiritual Awakening led a double conference in the morning.  He was humble and yet said some incredibly powerful things about our surrender, the hope of Spiritual Awakening in our churches and praying.  He was selling his books for the cost of printing - $2.

I haven't read it yet, but I bought it.  I think it has sold quite a bit, but I honestly can't say that I had heard of it before now.  That's what happens when you write about this subject - it's not about money so no one tracks it or celebrates its "success."  Since I haven't read it, I have no idea whether or not it is "authoritative," but the book is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Returning-Holiness-Gregory-R-Frizzell/dp/0966542479" rel="nofollow"><i>Returning to Holiness</i></a> by Dr. Greg Frizzell.

The other standard is "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Celebration-Discipline-Path-Spiritual-Growth/dp/0060628391/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7923345-7447051?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187875167&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><i>Celebration of the Discipline</i></a>" by Richard Foster.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 24, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: These days, what's the difference?  (SEBTS v SWBTS)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 24, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: Foster's Discipline list;
The inward disciplines; meditation, prayer, fasting, and study; the outward disciplines; simplicity, solitude, submission, and service; and the community disciplines; confession, worship, guidance, and celebration.

No "journaling" there.

Besides Whitney, who we already mentioned, who has written about journaling as a 'spiritual discipline'?

(oh, I meant to put a smiley :-) after my SEBTS v SWBTS remark.)</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 24, 2007</a>, <a href='http://www.twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Art Rogers</a> writes: "Only a few of the things that are outlined as Spiritual Disciplines by those who write authoritatively concerning them are specifically defined in Scripture the way you are describing."

That sentence does not say that those who write authoritatively include journaling.  It says that those who write authoritatively (I spent the bulk of a prior comment saying there were virtually none) about Spiritual Disciplines include things not specifically commanded in Scripture the way those things you quoted were.

If you want the ultimate authority, I suppose Joseph Kennedy is your answer.  It's in his list as well as mine.  :)

As for SWBTS v SEBTS, I was thinking more of "at the time when we were there" - I am assuming you are not "fresh" out of Seminary.  Nowadays - not much difference.  Frankly, between the two, I think SEBTS is the better school by far.  It's missional focus is very high and it is growing steadily.  The faculty is well spoken of, as well.

That was then, this is now.  Oh well.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">August 25, 2007</a>, <a href='http://stevewebel.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>Steve Webel</a> writes: Thanks, my interest in this subject is officially sparked.  I'm going to make it a focus of study as soon as we get settled back in the states.

Blessings,
Steve</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">April 10, 2008</a>, Linda Bridges writes: Well guys, I enjoyed your discussion on whether or not Spiritual Journaling is a "spiritual discipline" or not. I worthy rabbit trail on the topic--however I was hoping to get more insights from the discussion on the actual "how to begin" or some guidelines.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">April 10, 2008</a>, <a href='http://twelvewitnesses.com' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>art rogers</a> writes: @<a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/#comment-14240#comment-14240" rel="nofollow"> Linda Bridges</a>:

Linda,

That's a great question, and I can't believe I didn't answer it better in the article in the first place.

Here's a few thoughts.

I have two kinds of journals.  One is a spiral notebook with lines - typical.  In this notebook, I write according to the description found in the third paragraph and the link there.

The second kind of journal I use is a <a href="http://moleskines.com" rel="nofollow">Moleskine</a>.  I use the graph paper lined that gives me some sense of spacial balance (that's just me) but I really write out of the box there.  I draw and go across pages to get into my right brain.  The content of that journal is also spiritual, but not in the sense of guiding me through prayer, as I use the other one.

In that notebook I write about my thoughts and ideas, sermon outlines, plans for our church's future, organizational diagrams, etc.  I try to be in the first (prayer) before I get to the second as a way to prepare my heart.

Also, I try to find a place that fits my learning style.  I am easily distracted, so I need some isolation.  I've been able to go to places like Panera Bread, but I need to get into a booth to cut down movement around me and I take my iPod to drown out the conversations around me.

I have a couple of albums/playlists that I can use that help my state of mind.  Of course, I also learn best through interaction, so it is best for my journaling for me to have some challenging conversations and then go write down my thoughts as they spill out.  That is when I am most productive.

Of course, that's how I tick.  It makes a difference as to who you are.

What other questions do you have?  Glad to help.</li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/08/21/spiritual-disciplines-journaling/">February 24, 2009</a>, Al writes: What are the best scripture(s) to support the idea of journaling?</li></ul><hr /><h2>Related posts:</h2><ul><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/02/spiritual-disciplines-confession/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession">Spiritual Disciplines:  Confession</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/25/spiritual-disciplines-service/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Service">Spiritual Disciplines:  Service</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/09/18/spiritual-disciplines-submission/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission">Spiritual Disciplines:  Submission</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/07/31/spiritual-disciplines-prayer/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Spiritual Disciplines: Prayer">Spiritual Disciplines: Prayer</a></li><li><a href="http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/16/update/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Update&#8230;">Update&#8230;</a></li></ul><hr /><small>Copyright &copy; Art Rogers|12 Witnesses 2008<br /> This feed is for personal, non-commercial use only. <br /> The use of this feed on other websites breaches copyright. If this content is not in your news reader, it makes the page you are viewing an infringement of the copyright. If you suspect copyright infringement, please contact legal@twelvewitnesses.com.  Thanks.  (Digital Fingerprint:<br /> 4fb9806df94a8f093ce1b84a21d62535 (38.107.179.237) )</small>
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