• Author: art rogers
• Published: Apr 21st, 2009
• Category: Church, General Christian, Preaching, Video
• Comments: 8

Mark Driscoll on Joel Osteen

Tags: Church, ministry, Preaching, Video

8 Responses to “Mark Driscoll on Joel Osteen”

1. 
   Bob Cleveland
   on Apr 21st, 2009
   @ 7:43 am: 

   Blunt, yes. Appropriate, yes. Thanks for posting this.

   Is it just me, or is Rev. Osteen becoming more “name it/claim it” while still avoiding pentecostalism?

   Hmmmmm.

   Bob Clevelands last blog post..The Death Penalty: good .. bad .. ugly..

2. 
   art rogers
   on Apr 21st, 2009
   @ 9:35 am: 

   He’s always been like that. I grew up in Houston, so I knew that church when his father was the pastor. John (dad) died and Joel sort of inherited it.

   Their theology/practice always was pretty charismatic. It actually seems that he’s gone a little backward from what it was originally.

3. 
   Kevin Bussey
   on Apr 21st, 2009
   @ 1:28 pm: 

   Great clip Art. Thanks.

   Kevin Busseys last blog post..Pay it forward-Birmingham style!

4. 
   Barry Martin
   on Apr 21st, 2009
   @ 3:51 pm: 

   I think Driscoll misses the point. Jesus died on the cross and rose again so that we CAN live a victorious life. Joel Osteen doesn’t leave God out of the equation. In the above example, he says, “We are children of the Most High God.” I think if polled, the members (and attenders) of Lakewood Church, some of which I know personally, would tell you they are living victorious and prosperous lives. It doesn’t mean they don’t struggle, but they are living in victory over Satan. In addition, they go out into a hurting world and are some of the most encouraging people I’ve ever met.

   I say let’s not be too quick to judge. Thousands have come to Christ because of Joel Osteen, Lakewood Church, and its ministry. And isn’t that REALLY what it’s all about?

   Mouse print: The opinions expressed are those of my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my former classmates, friends, or family members.

5. 
   art rogers
   on Apr 21st, 2009
   @ 9:26 pm: 

   I don’t think Driscoll misses the point at all.

   Jesus died on the cross to bring us back to God. The life Osteen describes is not in keeping with the whole of Scripture. On the one hand, Jesus says that He has come to give us abundant life.

   On the other, Paul says: “29 For it has been given to you on Christ’s behalf not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him, 30 having the same struggle that you saw I had and now hear about me.” Phil. 1:29-30

   I don’t think anyone is too hasty in judging – and disagreeing is not judging.

   As for how many have put their faith in the Gospel, that is unknown to me – and everyone else, for that matter. Judging that really is beyond us all.

6. 
   Curtis Parish
   on Apr 27th, 2009
   @ 9:19 pm: 

   None of the apostles could have measured up to Joel’s definition of a victorious Christian life. None of them were wealthy, most ended up in jail and Paul asked many times for a thorn to be removed. If only Paul had heard one of Joel’s sermons and known he could have claimed victory over that thorn.

7. 
   Barry Martin
   on Apr 27th, 2009
   @ 9:46 pm: 

   Joel, me, and at least 43,000 other people are living victorious Christian lives. Wonder where I went wrong.

8. 
   Bart
   on Apr 28th, 2009
   @ 5:37 am: 

   I claim victory from sin because of Jesus’ righteousness. I still sin though. I am not naive to think believers claim a life of properity. Not prosperity in health, wealth, or family. We read that God will be with us always and will not put us through any trial or tribulation we cannot handle. Instead of looking for prosperity we should “act justly, love righteousness, and walk HUMBLY with our God!”