Comments on: Institutional v. Missional Church: Can Mega Be Missional? http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/08/19/institutional-v-missional-church-can-mega-be-missional/ Let these stones be a witness to what we have done here this day. Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:54:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Dennis Muse http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/08/19/institutional-v-missional-church-can-mega-be-missional/#comment-15394 Dennis Muse Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:48:53 +0000 http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/?p=1017#comment-15394 I have did a chart last month comparing the two, you can view it at; http://dennismuse.com/wpblog/?p=80 Dennis Muses last blog post..<a href="http://dennismuse.com/wpblog/?p=155" rel="nofollow">Church Planting, don’t quit your day job.</a> I have did a chart last month comparing the two, you can view it at;

http://dennismuse.com/wpblog/?p=80

Dennis Muses last blog post..Church Planting, don’t quit your day job.

]]> By: art rogers http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/08/19/institutional-v-missional-church-can-mega-be-missional/#comment-15335 art rogers Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:52:00 +0000 http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/?p=1017#comment-15335 JMS, I the institutionalism you describe is what I am describing, but I wouldn't say it was staff dependent or that it was the staff who was institutional. The whole organism is institutional. The idea, though, that the whole group gets to make the decisions works really well in Missional teams, aka Small Groups, but beyond 10-15 people it keeps the organism immobile, which is also anti Missional. JMS,

I the institutionalism you describe is what I am describing, but I wouldn’t say it was staff dependent or that it was the staff who was institutional. The whole organism is institutional.

The idea, though, that the whole group gets to make the decisions works really well in Missional teams, aka Small Groups, but beyond 10-15 people it keeps the organism immobile, which is also anti Missional.

]]> By: Joseph M. Smith http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2008/08/19/institutional-v-missional-church-can-mega-be-missional/#comment-15334 Joseph M. Smith Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:28:58 +0000 http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/?p=1017#comment-15334 Doesn't the institutionalism of the megachurch also tend largely to be staff-institutional? That is, there is less and less place for lay decision making; efficiency demands that staff make the decisions and move forward quickly. I have seen some small churches with growth ambitions staff and use staff in that way. While such a church can be effective in terms of program energy, it seems to me that it loses an essential part of being "church" -- that the whole people of God discern and decide. The satellite campus phenomenon, as I have seen it, seems to have not only the issues you mentioned, but also to suggest that the other churches in the area are irrelevant. There never appears to be any sense of treading on someone else's turf. Doesn’t the institutionalism of the megachurch also tend largely to be staff-institutional? That is, there is less and less place for lay decision making; efficiency demands that staff make the decisions and move forward quickly. I have seen some small churches with growth ambitions staff and use staff in that way. While such a church can be effective in terms of program energy, it seems to me that it loses an essential part of being “church” — that the whole people of God discern and decide.

The satellite campus phenomenon, as I have seen it, seems to have not only the issues you mentioned, but also to suggest that the other churches in the area are irrelevant. There never appears to be any sense of treading on someone else’s turf.

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