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		<title>By: Art Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/11/missional-minatrea-definitions/#comment-8637</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMS,

I&#039;ve never seen the strip mining thing, but I was only there for a decade, as opposed to being there as a child during the era of strip mining.

The thing about Western KY is that, although the hills roll and undulate in a pretty way, it is more &quot;flat&quot; than Eastern KY, which has the towns built along a winding strip between two foothills and you can&#039;t see the horizon.  I like the mountains for a little while.  A retreat or a vacation, but then I start getting claustrophobic.  Besides, they don&#039;t have Tobacco Barns in the East, that fire the Tobacco in the fall so that the crisp cool October wind brings you the hint of sweet smoke - not the acrid kind.  Of course, you do have &quot;knobs&quot; in Western KY.  Miniature hillocks that sport dramatic colors when the leaves turn.  I really miss that, right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMS,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen the strip mining thing, but I was only there for a decade, as opposed to being there as a child during the era of strip mining.</p>
<p>The thing about Western KY is that, although the hills roll and undulate in a pretty way, it is more &#8220;flat&#8221; than Eastern KY, which has the towns built along a winding strip between two foothills and you can&#8217;t see the horizon.  I like the mountains for a little while.  A retreat or a vacation, but then I start getting claustrophobic.  Besides, they don&#8217;t have Tobacco Barns in the East, that fire the Tobacco in the fall so that the crisp cool October wind brings you the hint of sweet smoke &#8211; not the acrid kind.  Of course, you do have &#8220;knobs&#8221; in Western KY.  Miniature hillocks that sport dramatic colors when the leaves turn.  I really miss that, right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph M. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/11/missional-minatrea-definitions/#comment-8618</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Russellville.  My great-aunt and great-uncle lived there for a while.  In fact a couple of lifetimes ago I did my first interment there, burying her.  She always called it &quot;Rssvl&quot;.

Exiled from Kentucky for 36 years, I do get a twinge every time I drive into the state and see its beauty.  I keep telling people who, like me, drive in from the east, that the reason WV is &quot;almost heaven&quot; is that when you are in WV you are almost in KY ... hence, well, you know.

I have to say that my members of going to various places in western KY to preach are not as filled with images of beauty.  I recall driving along the Western KY Parkway and seeing the landscape scarred by strip mining done with those huge shovels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Russellville.  My great-aunt and great-uncle lived there for a while.  In fact a couple of lifetimes ago I did my first interment there, burying her.  She always called it &#8220;Rssvl&#8221;.</p>
<p>Exiled from Kentucky for 36 years, I do get a twinge every time I drive into the state and see its beauty.  I keep telling people who, like me, drive in from the east, that the reason WV is &#8220;almost heaven&#8221; is that when you are in WV you are almost in KY &#8230; hence, well, you know.</p>
<p>I have to say that my members of going to various places in western KY to preach are not as filled with images of beauty.  I recall driving along the Western KY Parkway and seeing the landscape scarred by strip mining done with those huge shovels.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/11/missional-minatrea-definitions/#comment-8615</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if i lived back in Muhlenberg County still I might have taken you up on that.  :-)  Sounds nice.  Who knew Russellville had such a claim to fame?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i lived back in Muhlenberg County still I might have taken you up on that.  :-)  Sounds nice.  Who knew Russellville had such a claim to fame?  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Art Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of all of Oklahoma, Tulsa has the most trees and humidity to make pretty a pretty fall, but there&#039;s never been a prettier place that I have ever lived than Kentucky.

Driven by a Tobacco Barn with the smoke filling the air?

Y&#039;know, this weekend is the big Tobacco Festival in Russellville.  Rib Eye Sandwiches, hot off the grill and a great small town, county wide parade.  The re-enactment of the James gang&#039;s first bank robbery (though some dispute that it was the first - they are obviously wrong) right across the street from First Baptist Church, 6th and Main - which hosts the Rotary Club&#039;s Pancake Breakfast all morning.  Craft shows.  Funnel cakes.  Everything on the square.

If you aren&#039;t doing anything this weekend, Saturday would be a great day to be in Russellville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of all of Oklahoma, Tulsa has the most trees and humidity to make pretty a pretty fall, but there&#8217;s never been a prettier place that I have ever lived than Kentucky.</p>
<p>Driven by a Tobacco Barn with the smoke filling the air?</p>
<p>Y&#8217;know, this weekend is the big Tobacco Festival in Russellville.  Rib Eye Sandwiches, hot off the grill and a great small town, county wide parade.  The re-enactment of the James gang&#8217;s first bank robbery (though some dispute that it was the first &#8211; they are obviously wrong) right across the street from First Baptist Church, 6th and Main &#8211; which hosts the Rotary Club&#8217;s Pancake Breakfast all morning.  Craft shows.  Funnel cakes.  Everything on the square.</p>
<p>If you aren&#8217;t doing anything this weekend, Saturday would be a great day to be in Russellville.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the trees are pretty and of course all of the mirrors i see look good.  :-)  

i have been working home a lot so it seems like i don&#039;t see the outdoors much even!

yesterday while I grilled a steak I took the time to rake up all the leaves in the yard.  I think it&#039;s still suffering from the dry season we&#039;ve had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the trees are pretty and of course all of the mirrors i see look good.  :-)  </p>
<p>i have been working home a lot so it seems like i don&#8217;t see the outdoors much even!</p>
<p>yesterday while I grilled a steak I took the time to rake up all the leaves in the yard.  I think it&#8217;s still suffering from the dry season we&#8217;ve had.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/11/missional-minatrea-definitions/#comment-8611</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

Thanks for the knowledge.  Is it pretty in KY yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Thanks for the knowledge.  Is it pretty in KY yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/11/missional-minatrea-definitions/#comment-8602</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see tim challies &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.challies.com/archives/articles/emergent-church/radical-reformi.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;writing about chapter one&lt;/a&gt; of the book in August 05.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see tim challies <a href="http://www.challies.com/archives/articles/emergent-church/radical-reformi.php" rel="nofollow">writing about chapter one</a> of the book in August 05.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/11/missional-minatrea-definitions/#comment-8598</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art,

The formulas.  It&#039;s been a couple years since I read it and I don&#039;t actually own the book, but they&#039;re there.   He might use the terms syncretism and sectarianism rather than liberalism and fundamentalism, I don&#039;t recall exactly.

It was written in 2004 and I don&#039;t think Missional vs. Emergent terminology was so hot of a topic back then.  Though even in that book he was distinguishing himself from Emergent in favor of being one part of the emerging church, as I recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art,</p>
<p>The formulas.  It&#8217;s been a couple years since I read it and I don&#8217;t actually own the book, but they&#8217;re there.   He might use the terms syncretism and sectarianism rather than liberalism and fundamentalism, I don&#8217;t recall exactly.</p>
<p>It was written in 2004 and I don&#8217;t think Missional vs. Emergent terminology was so hot of a topic back then.  Though even in that book he was distinguishing himself from Emergent in favor of being one part of the emerging church, as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2007/10/11/missional-minatrea-definitions/#comment-8597</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

Do you really or are you just being cantankerous?  How would you describe the difference?  Clearly there is a lot of confusion of the two, especially among conventional church model pastors and lay men and women.

Nick,

Which part?  The formula or the difference between Missional and Emergent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Do you really or are you just being cantankerous?  How would you describe the difference?  Clearly there is a lot of confusion of the two, especially among conventional church model pastors and lay men and women.</p>
<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Which part?  The formula or the difference between Missional and Emergent?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is from mark driscoll&#039;s first book:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Reformission-Reaching-without-Selling/dp/0310256593&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;radical reformission: reaching out without selling out&lt;/a&gt;.  the opening of it i think.  good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is from mark driscoll&#8217;s first book:  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Reformission-Reaching-without-Selling/dp/0310256593" rel="nofollow">radical reformission: reaching out without selling out</a>.  the opening of it i think.  good stuff.</p>
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