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Let these stones be a witness to what we have done here this day.


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The first motion was to ratify the Executive Committee Report that affirms the BFM as the sole consensus of SBC theology. In other words, the referendum of this convention is this. This must come to the floor. My concern is that this vote may, in fact, be lost. It is this exact issue that has been dividing us over the last 18 months.

And you can forget the election of David Rogers over Jim Richards as a referendum. It’s not. This is his home state and if he doesn’t win, it would mean that the Inner Circle has lost all credibility. I don’t think they have.

Rather, they seem to be emboldened. Paige Patterson was interviewed by the Criswell College radio station. In that interview he said that every 25 years the SBC has to throw out Liberals and that it was time to do it again. When asked if these men might be Conservatives who disagree with methodology, he replied that they were Liberals who knew not enough Baptist History to fill a thimble.

I fear we may be greatly divided. I hope it is not beyond repair.

Wade made his motion for the EC to study the issue of a watch list for pedophiles among our ministers.

Les Puryear moved that the Boards of Trustees make available the information concerning votes public to the convention online and offline. I’m afraid that it is probably out of order, but it is much needed.

All of these will be referred to the Committee on Order of Business to be ruled out of order, referred to an entity or committee or brought to the floor for a vote.

I unwittingly sat in front of Emir Caner and what appears to be SWBTS students. During the meet and greet he warmly shook my hand and introduced himself. I was so surprised to see him, that I forgot to introduce myself.

I think that he might have recognized me after he saw me typing on my Treo. There was some furtive whispering a few minutes after we sat back down.

I grieve that this has taken on the mood of sharp division and political maneuvering.

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8 Responses to “Motions”

  1. Kevin Bussey
    on Jun 12th, 2007
    @ 9:22 am


    Thanks for the update. I’ve been watching on and off via internet. I’m sickened reading your post. “Throw out?” Was that really said?

  2. Lu
    on Jun 12th, 2007
    @ 9:38 am

    Yes, a HUGE thank you for the updates. My company blocks videos (unless embedded) so I can’t watch/listen live during work. It’s good to have a place from which I can get quick updates.

    Patterson’s comments anger and sadden me. I’m so sick of that kind of arrogance exclusiveness. Just because I don’t believe the same as him on every little point doesn’t make me a “liberal”. Will he not rest until he kicks me out too?

  3. John Stickley
    on Jun 12th, 2007
    @ 9:45 am

    I have no reason to doubt your account of Dr. Patterson’s remarks, but quite honestly, I’d rather hope that you misheard him than believe it. It’s too saddening a statement to wish otherwise.

  4. Tim B
    on Jun 12th, 2007
    @ 10:05 am


    I would be shocked if the motion on the BF&M is not ruled out of order. The rationale will probably relate to encroachment on trustee responsibility to establish its own bylaws and govern itself. Any such effort would probably need to be accomplished by amending the constitution. I would also add, If you aren’t a liberal then you don’t have anything to worry about.

    Tim B

  5. Art Rogers
    on Jun 12th, 2007
    @ 10:10 am


    I’m afraid it was.

    Wade was interviewed by a reporter immediately after and said that there was as much chance of finding a liberal in the SBC as finding a Dallas Cowboys football player playong on the Houston Astros.

  6. Art Rogers
    on Jun 12th, 2007
    @ 10:19 am


    I think it will come to the floor. It is very carefully worded to avoid instructing the Boards to do anything.

    Of course that depends on the disposition of the Committee on Order of Business and the President.

    As for being a Liberal, I’m afraid many conservatives have a real problem with the agencies going beyond the BFM. I’m one.

    Unless you define Liberal as Dr. Patterson has apparently done – those who don’t believe exactly as he does on the issue under discussion at the time.

  7. R.Grannemann
    on Jun 12th, 2007
    @ 10:25 am

    Dr. Patterson has lost all credibilty. He is only making himself look bad. I think most messengers will see through his bluff.

  8. Trey Roberson
    on Jun 12th, 2007
    @ 2:16 pm


    This comment is not surprising. It’s based on what worked 30 years ago. The “moderates” predicted this day would come when conservatives would divide yet again. Notice the age make up of the various groups in action. Notice how the world changed since 79. There is no limit to the differences now among conservative groupings. The old guard will truly see any attempt by the young up and comers to be an attack on their efforts. Yes, there are obviously some younger bloggers who throw their support to the old guard. There are still rewards to be handed out by them. One of the real problems is the “new breed” do not seem to be moved by rewards as in the past. They tend to refuse being bought out by promises of positions etc. Are there liberals any longer? No. Are there individuals who stand alongside others in hope of further reform? Yes. How sad we still stoop to labels instead of speaking truth in love.

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