Comments on: Dr. Klouda on the record [updated]

By: Marty Duren

Marty Duren — Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:23:55 +0000

Anony-
The SBC was imploding on itself before Ben Cole came out of hiding or Wade Burleson starting asking questions or Marty Duren started a blog, or Art Rogers made the decision to start commenting under his real name and let the chips fall where they may.

The notice of the SBC’s potential implosion is the reason the rest of those things happened. If someone had not begun stating the obvious (on blogs and elsewhere), many would have, like a bunch of lemmings, continued to the cliff and over it, patting themselves on the back and singing “Onward Christian Soldiers” all the way to the rocks below.

By: Art Rogers

Art Rogers — Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:21:49 +0000

Anonymous,

I’m sorry. You are not going to be allowed to continue to call people’s character into question without signing your name. It is not a witch hunt. I don’t care who you are. However, if you are going to call people’s character into question, you will have to own your words.

You may find the link to the Rules for Comments on the left hand sidebar.

By: Marty Duren

Marty Duren — Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:14:58 +0000

Tim-
I, too, am grateful that Dr. Klouda was allowed two years to look for a job. I’m also glad that she continued to teach and receive good evaluations, when she could easily have sandbagged knowing that she had been promised one thing and delivered another.

That it was allowed is good, but it isn’t considerably better that what some secular companies, without ties to the kingdom of God, also provide for some employees via contract buyouts, retirement packages, job training, etc, during layoffs, downsizing, etc.

What was done here was simply wrong. If she was academically unqualified, she should never have been hired. If she was pedagogically unfit, she should have been fired. The fact is that she was hired in one administration, assured job security during a new administration, given an end date and forced out months before that date. No matter how you cut this, it isn’t right.

By: Art Rogers

Art Rogers — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:04:18 +0000

The previous two comments were moved to this thread as Dr. Klouda’s situation seems to be the main thrust.

By: Art Rogers

Art Rogers — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:34:21 +0000

Wow, Tim, that is the most myopic, one sided view of Dr. Klouda’s issue that one can imagine. In fact, it is ludicrous in light of the incredible financial burden placed on her family since she trusted Paige Patterson at his word – that her job was secure – upon that word her family purchased a house that has now threatened them with bankruptcy since they have been unable to sell it after Dr. Patterson broke his word to her. I think you should take your own advice.

Or do you think that she is an overt liar? Just say it, if that is what you think.

By: Tim Guthrie

Tim Guthrie — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:48:11 +0000

Funny thing you mention “getting both sides” on issues! Why is this not true of Dr. K. The seminary paid her two years to look for another job. Wow! I have never had that! Have you?

I think we need both sides on several issues!

By: Art Rogers

Art Rogers — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 06:13:06 +0000

Easy, CB. His head is big enough, don’t you think?

By: cb scott

cb scott — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:54:25 +0000

I know the motivation for all things Ben Cole does. It is truth, justice and the American way just like the “other” SUPERMAN.

By: Art Rogers

Art Rogers — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 04:45:15 +0000

Marty & CB,

You got the response that was appropriately measured – the exact one merited. ;)

Anonymous,

One more question: Why would Ben want revenge for being fired from a minimum wage job as a grader? I’ve been fired three times in my life, and all from jobs where I made much more money than Ben. I was upset on all three occasions and felt that they were unfair, but I don’t need revenge. So if not for being fired, why does Ben need revenge? More likely, could it be something other than revenge that motivates Ben?

I can answer that for you, at least in part. Ben has told me exactly what motivates him. I am not at liberty to reveal his personal motives – ask him, he just might tell you – but I can tell you revenge is the farthest thing from his mind.

By: cb scott

cb scott — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:24:19 +0000

Marty,

He never responds to mine since I trash talked his truck.