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	<title>Comments on: The Charge Leveled</title>
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	<description>Let these stones be a witness to what we have done here this day.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/11/06/the-charge-leveled/#comment-2191</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Art,

I like what you have done with the place.  It may be me because of my age, but could you enlarge the font just a little? (You know that I have to find something to disagree with you over.)

You are right on with this post.  I found on another blog where Soulforce&#039;s head person said the cause of the pain was the Evangelical world not accepting that God created Ted Haggard as a homosexual. Go figure.

Blessings,
Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Art,</p>
<p>I like what you have done with the place.  It may be me because of my age, but could you enlarge the font just a little? (You know that I have to find something to disagree with you over.)</p>
<p>You are right on with this post.  I found on another blog where Soulforce&#8217;s head person said the cause of the pain was the Evangelical world not accepting that God created Ted Haggard as a homosexual. Go figure.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Tim</p>
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		<title>By: onelittleman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your post and think you&#039;ve summed things up with folks coming across as hostile to the church right now. 

I wonder if maybe there isn&#039;t another dimension to the situation with Mr. Haggard. It sometimes seems like what I&#039;ve been taught in church is sort of a formula. Read Bible + Pray + Tithe + Serve + Love Family = Happy Life. 

Maybe part of the frustration people have is when our faith formula breaks down. Even in spite of all the good things we do, we manage to sin and wreck our lives. When folks from outside see that maybe our formula doesn&#039;t always work, they get a little skittish about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your post and think you&#8217;ve summed things up with folks coming across as hostile to the church right now. </p>
<p>I wonder if maybe there isn&#8217;t another dimension to the situation with Mr. Haggard. It sometimes seems like what I&#8217;ve been taught in church is sort of a formula. Read Bible + Pray + Tithe + Serve + Love Family = Happy Life. </p>
<p>Maybe part of the frustration people have is when our faith formula breaks down. Even in spite of all the good things we do, we manage to sin and wreck our lives. When folks from outside see that maybe our formula doesn&#8217;t always work, they get a little skittish about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Bussey</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/11/06/the-charge-leveled/#comment-2189</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Bussey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art,

Nice site.  I&#039;m sick about the Haggard thing too.  I really thought a lot of him.  All I can do is pray for him and his family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art,</p>
<p>Nice site.  I&#8217;m sick about the Haggard thing too.  I really thought a lot of him.  All I can do is pray for him and his family.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Cleveland</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/11/06/the-charge-leveled/#comment-2188</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Cleveland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art:  

Believers (who are the church) call sin sin, and the lost world hears condemnation. All the lost name-callers who don&#039;t repent, never hear anything beyond that.

Sinners who repent hear forgiveness. That sets off the name-callers.

CB said we have to expect lost people to act lost. So be it. But some out there who hate their sin as much as Ted Haggard does, now, have heard there&#039;s hope. Despite the best efforts of the name-callers.

If there&#039;s hypocrisy or condemnatory attitudes, they need to be rooted out. In this case, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what the lost name-callers are reacting to. In fact, I&#039;d say the conviction of the Holy Spirit might just be bringing it on. In those who simply won&#039;t yield. 

Let&#039;s hope some will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art:  </p>
<p>Believers (who are the church) call sin sin, and the lost world hears condemnation. All the lost name-callers who don&#8217;t repent, never hear anything beyond that.</p>
<p>Sinners who repent hear forgiveness. That sets off the name-callers.</p>
<p>CB said we have to expect lost people to act lost. So be it. But some out there who hate their sin as much as Ted Haggard does, now, have heard there&#8217;s hope. Despite the best efforts of the name-callers.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s hypocrisy or condemnatory attitudes, they need to be rooted out. In this case, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what the lost name-callers are reacting to. In fact, I&#8217;d say the conviction of the Holy Spirit might just be bringing it on. In those who simply won&#8217;t yield. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope some will.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonk</title>
		<link>http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/11/06/the-charge-leveled/#comment-2187</link>
		<dc:creator>jasonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great insights.  I cannot understand why anyone would blame the church for being hypocritical.  I mean, I&#039;m sure they are, like many churches, but it makes no sense in this context.  Oh well, leave it to the media.
Thanks for a great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insights.  I cannot understand why anyone would blame the church for being hypocritical.  I mean, I&#8217;m sure they are, like many churches, but it makes no sense in this context.  Oh well, leave it to the media.<br />
Thanks for a great post!</p>
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