Comments on: Memphis 1 http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/05/02/memphis-1/ Let these stones be a witness to what we have done here this day. Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:54:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: art rogers http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/05/02/memphis-1/#comment-695 art rogers Wed, 03 May 2006 16:25:00 +0000 http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/?p=88#comment-695 Ron & all, The system of State Convention nominations was brought up but it was made evident by several that the leadership recycling process exists at state levels, and in some states worse than at the national ones. We are not here to "fix" the convention. We are forming a statement of repentance and intention for ourselves in hopes to lead others among us. Don Hinkle is here because he was originally a participant in the conversation, not as a media representative. When the media then found about the meeting and pressed for a presence, we turned to Don and asked him to document it and release it. This is a matter of comfort for the participants not wanting to be misquoted or misrepresented. By having one person with which to deal, we are able to speak more freely. No media were invited as media. When some media pressed for a presence, we simply turned to one of our number with skill in this area and asked him to do double duty. We know that this statement will be scrutinized and may well be attacked. I see predispositions of many who are not here already coloring what we are doing. This statement is about us, not others. It is about what we need to do, and if you don't want to do it, as a Southern Baptist, you don't have to do a thing. I strongly encourage you to look hard at the people who are attacking Ben. If they are anonymous, that tells you much. If they tell you who they are, you should understand their motives. Ben made one of the most humble and empassioned confessions of repentance of ever participating in political junk last night. Wait on the statement. Unlike others, you will not have to wait long. Ron & all,

The system of State Convention nominations was brought up but it was made evident by several that the leadership recycling process exists at state levels, and in some states worse than at the national ones.

We are not here to “fix” the convention. We are forming a statement of repentance and intention for ourselves in hopes to lead others among us.

Don Hinkle is here because he was originally a participant in the conversation, not as a media representative. When the media then found about the meeting and pressed for a presence, we turned to Don and asked him to document it and release it.

This is a matter of comfort for the participants not wanting to be misquoted or misrepresented. By having one person with which to deal, we are able to speak more freely.

No media were invited as media. When some media pressed for a presence, we simply turned to one of our number with skill in this area and asked him to do double duty.

We know that this statement will be scrutinized and may well be attacked. I see predispositions of many who are not here already coloring what we are doing.

This statement is about us, not others. It is about what we need to do, and if you don’t want to do it, as a Southern Baptist, you don’t have to do a thing.

I strongly encourage you to look hard at the people who are attacking Ben. If they are anonymous, that tells you much. If they tell you who they are, you should understand their motives.

Ben made one of the most humble and empassioned confessions of repentance of ever participating in political junk last night. Wait on the statement.

Unlike others, you will not have to wait long.

]]> By: Ron West http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/05/02/memphis-1/#comment-694 Ron West Wed, 03 May 2006 09:33:00 +0000 http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/?p=88#comment-694 rewest@pobox.com I am a born again Christian I am a Southern Baptist I am a Taiwan Baptist I am an Arkansas Baptist I am a theological conservative I could go on but I will stop there. rewest@pobox.com

I am a born again Christian
I am a Southern Baptist
I am a Taiwan Baptist
I am an Arkansas Baptist
I am a theological conservative
I could go on but I will stop there.

]]> By: Ron West http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/05/02/memphis-1/#comment-692 Ron West Wed, 03 May 2006 07:24:00 +0000 http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/?p=88#comment-692 I am also concerned as to why Ben Cole would invite Don Hinkle but not editors like Trennis Henderson, Charlie Warren or Bob Terry who have a reputation for fairness. Ben seems tied to the old resurgence propaganda system. I am glad to see you are there Art. I was afraid the only participants were disgruntled conservative resurgence supporters. I hope there are some there who had the wisdom to see from the beginning the true nature of the conservative resurgence and not just those who are slow learners and only now beginning to understand it. I am also concerned as to why Ben Cole would invite Don Hinkle but not editors like Trennis Henderson, Charlie Warren or Bob Terry who have a reputation for fairness. Ben seems tied to the old resurgence propaganda system.

I am glad to see you are there Art. I was afraid the only participants were disgruntled conservative resurgence supporters. I hope there are some there who had the wisdom to see from the beginning the true nature of the conservative resurgence and not just those who are slow learners and only now beginning to understand it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/05/02/memphis-1/#comment-693 Anonymous Wed, 03 May 2006 07:24:00 +0000 http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/?p=88#comment-693 Ron, how can I get in contact with you? We think similarly. Do you have an e-mail address? Ron, how can I get in contact with you? We think similarly. Do you have an e-mail address?

]]> By: Ron West http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/05/02/memphis-1/#comment-691 Ron West Wed, 03 May 2006 07:12:00 +0000 http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/?p=88#comment-691 If you do not wish to be kingmakers, why have a system that allows kings to exist. I know it would be almost impossible to change but we need to take so much power out of the hand of one person, the president. Come up with a formula that takes the appointment process back to the state conventions so they can have a voice in deciding who represents them on committees and boards. The SBC keeps asking them to raise the percentage of CP funds given to the SBC but doesn't want them to have a voice in deciding how the funds are spent. Some say that we are supposed to not have a connection between the national and state conventions. The connnection already exists. The seats on trustee boards are based on the existance of the state convention. The SBC also depends on the state convention for funds. The system worked back in the days when our presidents were working for the benefit of the convention as a whole. It doesn't work when we have presidents who uses the appointment process to build political power for themselves and their organization. If you do not wish to be kingmakers, why have a system that allows kings to exist. I know it would be almost impossible to change but we need to take so much power out of the hand of one person, the president. Come up with a formula that takes the appointment process back to the state conventions so they can have a voice in deciding who represents them on committees and boards. The SBC keeps asking them to raise the percentage of CP funds given to the SBC but doesn’t want them to have a voice in deciding how the funds are spent.
Some say that we are supposed to not have a connection between the national and state conventions. The connnection already exists. The seats on trustee boards are based on the existance of the state convention. The SBC also depends on the state convention for funds.
The system worked back in the days when our presidents were working for the benefit of the convention as a whole. It doesn’t work when we have presidents who uses the appointment process to build political power for themselves and their organization.

]]> By: Kevin Bussey http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/2006/05/02/memphis-1/#comment-690 Kevin Bussey Wed, 03 May 2006 05:15:00 +0000 http://www.twelvewitnesses.com/?p=88#comment-690 Thanks for the report Art! I was with you in prayer, sorry I couldn't be there. Thanks for the report Art!

I was with you in prayer, sorry I couldn’t be there.

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